Topic: Too New To This.

Hi, I just joined this site about a half hour ago.
I've been playing guitar for five years, except by 'playing' I mean simple melodies that don't have chords.
Finally got over my fear of chords to realise that I had good reason to be afraid.
It's not that I can't play them.
It's that I can't work out any strumming patterns despite watching numerous videos. And when I do finally get one that works, and slowly, badly, apply it to the correct chords, it sounds absolutely nothing like the song is supposed to sound and I can't seem to keep in the rhythm of strumming with my right hand whilst changing chords with my left hand.
Any ideas on how to improve this?
Most people will say practise, which I have been doing, it just doesn't seem to be paying off so far.
Any advice is appreciated smile

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Welcome to Chordie, playing with another person works well for me and of course practice. 


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Welcome to Chordie Natsumi!!!!

You have found an awesome forum with lots of knowledgeable people.

Here are a few suggestions:

Justinguitar.com

On youtube search yourguitarsage.

These guys are very helpful for me. I've only been playing about 1 1/2 years.

Oh 1 more. Do a search for "mike herberts 10 strum google video". It's a good video.

When combining the strumming with chords, your chords need to be second nature. You can't think about 2 diff things at once. With your chords being instictive you can concentrate on your strumming. Start slow and it will come to you.

Keep Rockin!!!!!!!!!!!

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Hi Natsumi and welcome to Chordie,

I suggest that at first you do not too involved in strumming pattern. Start by just playing the main beats in each bar (most commonly 4) as a down strum until you get the chord changes fixed in your mind and played cleanly. You can then progress to to more elaborate strumming and the sites mentioned will help you with that. Walk before you try to run.

It is common for novices to try to play things that are too difficult for them and they lose interest when they cannot get it right. Start with simple songs and master them before moving on the more difficult ones.

Roger

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Welcome.  What kind of music are you into?  Maybe we can suggest some easy two or three chord songs to practice on.

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Good question and suggestions.     I've found what was suggested on getting the chords down as second nature allows me to concentrate more on the strumming.

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I have a couple of comments. 

1. The matter of keeping a rhythm or pattern going is a matter of practice.  Are you practicing the rhythm or pattern, or are you trying to play it without practicing it?  If the latter, then practice it.  That means to dissect it, slow it down, concentrate on that and only that, and then do it until you can do it steadily (albeit slowly) and then speed it up until you can do it quickly and then keep doing it until you can do it without thinking about it.  This is not a matter of 1/2 hour.  It is the matter of 1/2 hour a day for however long it takes.  Some folks who are already adept at learning strum patterns, 1/2 hour may be enough.  For folks who are just beginning to learn them, 1/2 hour a day for a month may not be enough.  But rest assured that it will come in time. 

2. Forget what it's "supposed to sound" like.  Play it the way you like.  Until you've been playing for three decades, have gone to conservatory, and beat out 1,200 other accomplished guitarists trying to get the single studio position to back up a famous lead singer, what "it's supposed to sound like" doesn't mean squat (at least not to me).  I think it's much better to be able to interpret songs to your own style, even if you don't have one yet. 

3. Nothing wrong with simple melodies picked out.  That's something I can't do yet, so don't run yourself down for that.  I'm can get the strumming patterns fairly easily, but not the melodies picked out.  We each bring what we have, and have to learn the rest.  Learning takes practice and time.  You'll get where you want to go if you just relax, put together a plan to get there, and make the effort through relaxed and focused practice. 

- Zurf

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Welcome to the Chordie forum Natsumi!  Can't offer much more advise than you've already gotten.  Practice just changing between two chords back and forth.  Practice a strumming pattern without changing chords.  Get good at each individually then put them together.  Hang in there!  Practice makes perfect and eventually you'll get to where your going smile

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Strumming is basically about bashing out the rhythm of the song on your guitar. It's the rhythm that drives the song along. Here's how I usually try to explain how to get into the rhythm of a song...

Listen to the song, and with your strumming hand hit out the rythm, along with the song, on your leg or something. Like pretend drumming, but with one hand. Once you get into the rythm your hand will be bashing out a beat on your leg and you can usually pick up from that what's an down beat (strum) and what's an upbeat (strum).

It's hard to explain without showing you but hopefully you get what I mean.

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I don't mean to hi jack this thread, but I disagree with Zurf's #2.


A newbie hears a song and says I want to play THAT. As a newbie, there is no inkling to add a personal touch. A newb wouldn't even know how to do that. I find that after 1 1/2 years of playing, I can just now go back to songs I already know and add things. But the things I add are still from other's I see playing those songs. Adding my own stuff to change it up is something I cannot do. I don't have the musical aptitude.

What it's supposed to sound like is the way we have heard these songs for years and years. It's kind of a double edged sword. We don't want t change it because that's why we like it and we don't have the knowledge to do so. I don't know of any newbs that pick up the guitar with the intent to interpret songs they like. We strive to play what we hear. When we get it that's what makes us feel like we can take on the task with this guitar thingy. Getting it makes us want to progress.

So as far as what it's "supposed to sound" like, that is a newbie's compass.

I'm not bashing Zurf. I'm sure he forgets more stuff than I've learned. This is just what I have experienced and what works for me.

Keep Rockin!!!!!!!!!!!

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Thank you for all the responses. smile
zguitar is kind of right, I generally just find songs I like, find the music, try to play it, fail and get extremely frustrated.
I see people pick up a guitar and just play. My dad's friend can't even read music and doesn't know chords, he just picks up his guitar and plays how he thinks it's supposed to sound and it's amazing because he's so right.
People can just play like it's second nature and they don't have to think about it.
I know that can't happen overnight, I'm just way too impatient about it, you know?
But thanks for the help, I'll definitely take a look at those websites smile

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I have only learned strumming so far, but one clever trick I learned is hum the tune and get the chords in the right place within the tune. Tap with your foot as you sing the song, to find out how many beats you need. I was in tears the first week because the teacher wanted me to play a tune and when I played the chords it didn't sound anything like the tune I was familiar with. By humming and fitting the chords in, I then managed to work out quite complex patterns which worked with each tune.

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zguitar - No offense taken.  Your input is as valuable as mine.  Tell you the truth - I only do one or two songs as anything even close to a cover.  It's always been my opinion that if you want something that sounds exactly like the original to just play the record.  I like when I hear something radically different.  Listen to Patsy Cline do Crazy, and then Willie Nelson's version.  Both "Country", but the songs are completely different.  The Doors did "Light My Fire."  OK song, nothing too special (from my point of view, it's understood others will think it's wonderful).  Jose Feliciano did it and WOW!!! What a song!  It's a completely different version.  Shoot, even Eric Clapton redid Layla.  Electric version early in his career.  Twenty-five or so years later he redid it as an acoustic and it's hard to tell that it's even the same lyrics.  Made another mint off the same song.  Nice gig if you can get it! 

I hear you.  I think it's great that you've found a motivation that works for you, and I admit it seems for many others.  I just am concerned that a newbie will think they pick up the guitar and within a few months of lessons sound like Eric Clapton or Eric Johnson or Chet Atkins or any of the other guitar gods of whatever genre you like.  Wonderful if you can - I just get worried that people will run themselves down and feel inadequate if they can't sound like these rarely and extraordinarily talented individuals.  I worry more that they might set aside the guitar and think "Well, I tried it.  Didn't work out."   

I've got nothing at all against tribute style covers, just so long as folks use them as an encouragement as you suggest and not as a frustration as I worry about. 

- Zurf

Granted B chord amnesty by King of the Mutants (Long live the king).
If it comes from the heart and you add a few beers... it'll be awesome! - Mekidsmom
When in doubt ... hats. - B.G. Dude

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Don't sweat it if you can't learn chords, just learn scales and call yourself a lead guitarist. All of us "strummers" love guys like you who can pick out melodies and solo.