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Topic: Cheater F again!

So I'm watching a DVD of a Neil Young concert.  I haven't heard the album before, but I'm going to buy it.  The DVD is borrowed from the library.  At the end of a nice "mellow" jamm they zoomed in on Neil Young's right hand.  TOTAL CHEATER F!!!  So, that settles it.  If cheater F is good enough for Neil Young, it's good enough for me (or just about anybody). 

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P.S.  Even though Neil Young is indisputedly a mutant, he used some cheater B's too.  Which makes me feel a whole lot better about myself.  I haven't seen him throw a barre chord in three songs so far.  They haven't focused on his hands the whole time, though.

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Re: Cheater F again!

OK, so now it's pretty sick.  He's throwing solos out with two fingers while keeping his index in barre to play power chords at the same time.  No wonder he doesn't need a day job.

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Re: Cheater F again!

dont worry Zurf someday you will do the same untill then cheat as much as you like and have a wonderful holiday season smile

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Re: Cheater F again!

It's not cheating it's improvising!!

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Re: Cheater F again!

It's not cheating, it's just another chord voicing.

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Re: Cheater F again!

Jerome ,

This time we agree  smile  a barre F and  open F are two different animals and that was my point the last time this come up. I play the F both ways depending entirely on the song and if it sounds better with bass walks or hammerons or pulloffs I play it open. Some songs played with mostly barre chords sound better with the F chord barred.

It is not a cheating in fact to play it with the ring finger fretting the 4th and 5th fret. I believe is tougher than a barre chord.

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Re: Cheater F again!

wlbaye wrote:

I believe is tougher than a barre chord.

Oh perfect.  That's JUST what we need.



Cool thing on the video.  It was recorded at the Ryman.  As an introduction to the song "This Old Guitar", he gave the history of the guitar he was playing that night.  He bought it in from ___ _____ (Rip Taylor or somebody like that) after ________ ________ (one of his band mates, I recognized the name but can't recall it right now) found it for him.  The guitar he was playing that night, which was the first gig he played after brain aneurism surgery was the same guitar played by Hank Williams the night he was fired from the Ryman. 

- Zurf

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Re: Cheater F again!

OOps Zurf smile

I meant the 4th and 5th string  sorry !

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Re: Cheater F again!

Hello zurf,I think I saw the same as you ,you know I have watched many guitarists and I have seen alot of cheating going on not only in f but many of the other hard chords or riffs. Go ahead and cheat if you like. Have a beer or two while you are at it!!

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Re: Cheater F again!

I've always used the cheater chords and probably always will.  You tend to stick with what you learned first.  That's probably why I didn't make the cut when Crosby, Stills and Nash were hiring for that fourth person.

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