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Topic: RAP

Can rap songs be considered as poetry?

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NO. Poetry is written in the main by more or less ''normal'' people [this also depends on your definition of normal]. RAP is espoused by dyslexic midgets who all seem to shop in the extra giant size clothing stores and whose arms and fingers seem to be operated by remote control.

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Yes, Rap is poetry in my opinion. I'm not a fan but it can in some instances be clever. It rhymes and flows; I'm no expert but I think that's poetry. It's unfair to exclude it because the majority of us think it's awful. There are lots a genres of music I don't care for but it is what it is.

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4 Reply by Phill Williams (edited by Phill Williams 2009-01-02 12:00:43)

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rap is one letter short of the truth...that letter being C...

personally i dont like it, my brother on the other hand [he's 10 years younger than me] thinks it is poetry he calls eminem??? a modern shakespeare...give me strength! but as all art forms have their own niche, who are we to say it's not poetry?
i do beg to differ though...repeating the same word at the end each line is not rhyming.

some of these guys actually have nice voices, so instead of screaming obscenities, swearing and making countless and mindless sexual references, why dont they find a nice melody line and give that some welly?

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After some "detective work" the conclusion is that the rappers think it is poetry and the non rappers say or add that little c.
MY OPINION: except from all the f, mf, police etcetera, they use this form of music, lyrics included to criticize, the "official establishment", like politics and "the law".
What happened in the 60ties? YES also PROTEST "POETRY" against the same people, so nothing has changed since 40 years.

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It must be poetry! It sure as rip aint music! JMO

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Re: RAP

The image of rappers and what there saying in there words is abuse,violence,drugs,profanity taken another level is enough for me to form an opinion,I dont like anything about rap music, as to it being poetry it clearly is, it rhymes and has meter and thats where it stops. In the history of music from 1955 to present each succeeding generation has defined there youth and music has reflected there attitudes and lifestyles Whats next?

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rap is poetry. the common beilf that its all f... this and f... that is untrue. bands like the roots dont get enough attention .  my beef with rap is the use of electronics to soley make a song. theres alot of good rap out there but there is more crap that gives it a bad name. remember people hated elvis when he came out, but look what happend. we fear things we dont understand

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selso wrote:

rap is poetry. the common beilf that its all f... this and f... that is untrue. bands like the roots dont get enough attention .  my beef with rap is the use of electronics to soley make a song. theres alot of good rap out there but there is more crap that gives it a bad name. remember people hated elvis when he came out, but look what happend. we fear things we dont understand

We also dislike what we dislike!

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true, but thats neither here nor there. rap is an expression of what some people hold true in there life, so i dont think it can be automaticlly discounted

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Rap is poetry.  It's an often grim and disturbing verbal painting of the environment in which the artist comes from.

Sturgeon's Law applies to rap, much like everything else.

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well put jerome. im glad to see you have your own music theory forum. i think its about time

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selso wrote:

true, but thats neither here nor there. rap is an expression of what some people hold true in there life, so i dont think it can be automaticlly discounted

Nor does it have to be automatically accepted. Not to argue with you though selso. The original question was can rap be considered poetry and the answer seems to be yes.Have a good day.

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you too. it doesnt have to be accepted or respected, but i think being understood for what it is is important

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selso wrote:

well put jerome. im glad to see you have your own music theory forum. i think its about time

Well thanks!  Feel free to drop by and theorize. big_smile

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I'll defintenlly stop by to learn from you. please keep it up

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Re: RAP

I think there is some good rap ... some very clever stuff ... and a lot of clones that jump on the market bandwagon ... quite a bit like any kind of music ... once someone finds a sound then its exploited by people - then it gets boring . But to dismiss it all as rubbish would be wrong . Got to agree with one of the ealier posters whose young son likes emenim .. I actually think the guy is really good and though dont usually like swearing in songs just for the sake of it , he seems to use the  words that convey his songs well ... and I am a 55 year old ...

any resemblance to my songs sounding anything like the original is highly unlikely.

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