Topic: Is My struggle typical?

Hello!


I have been playing accoustic for around a month now and have learnt tab and can play through some pretty basic stuff but....chords!


Just started "learning" chords and I'm struggling big time!


I started out looking for simple songs to learn,a couple of chords and a tune I not only liked but knew.....


"horse with no name" came to mind and I thought yeah,I can learn this.................not!


Whilst I can kind of get the hang of it,I'm having trouble getting a clean chord,(my fingers are getting in the way and I'm getting dud notes from the open strings,due to the fact my fingers are resting on them!) aaaaaahhhhh!


I arch my fingers and place them correctly but upon playing they slip away and it starts to sound bad.


Is this normal? Do I just keep practising and "hope" I can get around it?


I looked at variations for the chords but the two original chords look simpler.


I'm enjoying the challenge but finding not being able to hold a single easy chord very frustrating. <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_redface.gif" border=0 alt="Embarassed"> <font color="orange"></font>


Thanks for any advice.

Re: Is My struggle typical?

Make sure your fretting hand is in a comfortable positition and be sure to have your nails cut down. Yes it will be weird and difficult at first...but as long as you have proper technique (you say you are arching) then it will come...it takes a while for your fingers to stretch and your muscles to build up in your hand. you have never used your muscles like this before. After a while the tips of your fingers will become flat and you will easily form chords. Everyone goes through it...Practice every other day, that way your hand has a day to rest and build muscle. Also it will be more difficult depending on your guitar...how much room is between your guitar strings and the fret board? If you can put a coin between the two and still have room then the strings will likely be more hard to press than it should be.

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G'day.

Some good advice from Rebels25player. Practice & more practice will get the finger tips hard & the chords working. Don't try too much too soon. Just take 2 chords, say a D & a G and keep changing from one to the other at your own rhythm, ie keep strumming to a beat in your head so you don't have to concentrate on rhythm, just the chord changes. Once you're comfortable that you can change between those two chords without stopping the rhythm then introduce another chord, like a C. Pretty soon you'll be putting half a dozen chords together without dead notes & there'll be heaps of songs to play. You might also try strumming just the top 4 strings to start with.

Good luck.

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Yes it's the same for everyone. One thing I didn't figure out until I had a lesson, and which helped enormously was that you need to cut the nails on your left hand so far back there is no white bit at all. Hold the strings down with the ends of your fingers, not the pads. Your callouses will grow over the ends of your nails, after youve had a lot of pain that is, and this will make your angle of approach to the fretboard higher, making it easier to clear the strings you want to leave open.


Once you have these over nail callouses, you get the pain when you have to prize the callous out of the way to cut the nail. My index finger nail is stuck on right to the tip of my finger and needed trimming daily as it was always in the way. After about a year of playing and trimming, it started bleeding and deteched itself at the end when I prized the callous away. Now I can cut it an extra 2mm shorter and it's great as it has reattached itself nearer the knuckle.


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Try learning how to play appregios, ie fingering the chord, but playing one note at a time.  This will help correct any bad habits you have on your keyboard hand, by making any bad or buzzed notes stand out like a sore thumb.

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hi pressure drop dont give up. i,ve been trying for 14 months,learning myself,first chords and simple songs. chordie is a big help. and practice is key...just started barrre chords.  finding it harder than i axpected, but i,m not quitting.     keep at it   badeye.

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I agree with most of the folks here.  Playing a guitar will take time.  With chords, it will take time for your hand and fingers to create "memory" on the fretboard.  This means a daily practice of about 30 minutes to one hour per day!  One thing you need to do, in the mean time, is strengthen your left hand! 


Pick yourself up a spring-loaded grip exerciser and use it about 30 minutes every other day.  You'll see a great improvement in holding your normal and barre chords. 


There is no easy solution to be better at playing other than practice, practice, practice!  Also, find somebody or group to jam with!  You'll be surprise how quickly you'll advance!

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As ever the answer is keep practising. You WILL get better, the notes WILL ring clearer and you WILL be able to hold those chords.


This might not work for you, but it did for me; I just ignored all those dud notes in my chords at first and concentrated on 'throwing' my fingers onto the fretboard instead of 'placing' them on. It sounded terrible to begin with, eventually those fingers start landing where they should be landing though, no dud notes and smoother chord changes as well.


As I say, that might not be the way for everyone but it worked for me though.


I used to take 3 chords and just play them over and over keeping the changes simple at first say  C, Am, Em. Then I would throw a G or D in there to mix things up a bit. I reckon you are better sticking to chord progressions untill you can get them ringing clear before taking on songs (again, that's just my opinion). Keep strumming and you'll get there. <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile">

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your fingers really will stretch the more you practice and it will get easier.


and we've all been there. when i started, i thought 'jesus christ, i'll never be able to go from G to C quickly.' but if you concentrate on just two chords and practice going between them - use G to C for instance, in a week you'll be suprised how much you've come on and then you'll wonder how you couldn't do it in the first place!


another tip is that when i first started i tended to pick all of my fingers up before putting them back down for a new chord, but most chords can be transformed with just shifting a few fingers up or down. picking your entire hand up just complicates things when it isn't necessary, try and find short cuts for easily making a new chord shape from another.

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When I first started, I didn't have a real teacher. All I had was a chord chart and a few people around to tell me if I was doing it right or not. I just wanted to be able to play a few songs to get girls. After many months of frustration I learnned a few tricks to make my chords go smooth.

1) Adjust the action on your guitar. Unless you are playing slide (or violin) you really want your strings pretty close to the fretboard. It will make it easier to make and hold the chords. It will also make your lead work faster.


2) Check your neck thickness. If it's too thick for comfort you might want to trade in for another axe with a thinner and narrower neck. If you have a classical guitar then I'm afraid you are pretty limited because they make them like that for a particular reason.


3) Try a lighter gauge string. If you are useing 12s try 10s. But keep in mind that this will also raise your action because the skinnier strings will have more space between them and the board.


4) lastly is long painful practice.

 

      - Mike

"Nobody paints by ear so why would I play guitar by sight?" hmm

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um I wouldn't call it normal not to be able to play "horse with no name" as it's only 2 very simple chords... <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_rolleyes.gif" border=0 alt="Rolling Eyes"> make sure your nails are cut down below the fingertip level to avoid hitting the strings, and keep close to the fret.  it will come eventually

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Don't try to learn by playing a song, it's too difficult that way.  Pick two chords and just switch between them..E to A perhaps or D to A. 


Nice short nails and take your time.  Make sure you are not twisting the guitar around so you can see what you are doing!

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One month is really not a long time so you should not be discouraged. I started playing 25 years ago and I can tell you that the only way to get better is PRACTICE! I started by learning  <b>House of the Rising Sun</b>. I drove my sisters crazy playing it over and over again. I would play for 4 - 5 hours a day and I still play at least 1-2 hours a day. It is a good song to learn early as the chord changes are smooth and help you learn about these all important chord changes. Don't give up, playing any instrument is an art and it takes work. The payoff is fantastic.... If it was easy everyone would be doing it! <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_confused.gif" border=0 alt="Confused">

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yes the key is pratice

short nails

get a tennis ball and push your fingers in it put it in your pocket and do it any time you can to build strengh in your hand

check at local music shops for local jams check your local nursing homes people go there to jam and the old folks just love it and some of them play also. there is almost always someone that will jam with newbiessome just want to play and some want to show off  avoid the show off they do not want to teach they want to show off (does't do much for your ego)

you will get there if you really want it

good luck

randy

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The good news PD is that once your fingers learn the chords they never forget. I played guitar in my teens and then quit for 20 years. I went to guitar classes a few years ago expecting to have to struggle all over again. Amazingly the basic chords I'd learnt came back like old friends (still had to get the rest though).


Horse with no name isn't as easy as some claim. Although it's only two chords the feel of that song is in the strumming, which again you can't expect from day one.


Concentrate on E A D chords at first. You'll be able to do Johnny B Goode acoustic style with these.


Then look to learn G and C. These 5 chords give you access to most rock songs. In particular strumming A with a break to G then D will give you rockers like 'Get Back' and AC/DC's 'You Shook Me All Night Long'.


Stick with it, it's worth it.

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Ive been playing a few months and had this problem at the start!


Now i dont have the problem and can relax my hand and still play the chords fine.


The best advice i could give is to make sure your wrist is infront of the fret board and push pretty hard into the strings, you'll get sore fingers and it will be like this for a while but after a few months you'll start to wonder why you found this difficult!

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One month is really not a long time so you should not be discouraged. I started playing 25 years ago and I can tell you that the only way to get better is PRACTICE! I started by learning  <b>House of the Rising Sun</b>. I drove my sisters crazy playing it over and over again. I would play for 4 - 5 hours a day and I still play at least 1-2 hours a day. It is a good song to learn early as the chord changes are smooth and help you learn about these all important chord changes. Don't give up, playing any instrument is an art and it takes work. The payoff is fantastic.... If it was easy everyone would be doing it! <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_confused.gif" border=0 alt="Confused">


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I agree it's a great song to learn as you can start off strumming it, which teaches you timing, chord changes and introduces you to F, then as you progress you can use it to perfect your finger style and ultimately improve the accuracy of your pick work as you play it closer to the Animals version.

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Hang in there. Your struggle is very typical for someone who has only played for around a month. Chords can be hard to learn at first. Just keep in mind that virtually every guitarist has gone through it, but once you've payed your dues you'll have an easy time. I suggest learning power chords and then from there it's an easy step to play barre chords. By then you will have good hand strength and control and those open chords will seem like nothing. Good luck and keep us posted of your progress.

"Nobody paints by ear so why would I play guitar by sight?" hmm

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Firstly, i will leave big spaces so this is easy to read.


secondly, yes it is this hard for everyone. sorry to say this but youve gotta practice.


however, i dont think you should have a minimum(and deffinitely not a maximum) practising time. if youre playing songs you like then practise shouldnt feel like a chore.


i know what it feels like to look through songs you like and find(to you) impossible chord after impossible chord.all i can say is find a few songs you really like and hang in there.


also, practice barre chords whenever you can even if they sound terrible. if you keep practising they will come and you will find tons more songs you can play.


hope this wasnt as painful reading as it was writing(it's late but i feel i should be doing something <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_confused.gif" border=0 alt="Confused"> )


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secondly, yes it is this hard for everyone. sorry to say this but youve gotta practice.


however, i dont think you should have a minimum(and deffinitely not a maximum) practising time. if youre playing songs you like then practise shouldnt feel like a chore.

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I differentiate with people who ask about learning to play.  I ask "What do you want to do?  Do you want to play songs, or do you want to play the guitar?"


The difference is that the former will learn enough chords to play a few songs, and never learn anything else, while the latter will study their instrument, and therefore be able to play whatever they want.


I've always felt like practice was a pleasure, even if all I'm doing is running scales and other technical excercises.

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I differentiate with people who ask about learning to play.  I ask "What do you want to do?  Do you want to play songs, or do you want to play the guitar?"

The difference is that the former will learn enough chords to play a few songs, and never learn anything else, while the latter will study their instrument, and therefore be able to play whatever they want.

I've always felt like practice was a pleasure, even if all I'm doing is running scales and other technical excercises.

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Agree, it is fun finding out how much you can do with a Guitar.It is a struggle at first, I've been playing about a year and didn't make much progress at all in the first month. All the advice here is great, I practice every day and do warm ups playing and holding down strings up and down the fretboard, your left hand nails do have to be short or your right if your a left handed player. I'm currently practising fingerpicking which has improved my chord changing skills. It might be best to pick out a few 3 chord songs. The most important thing is to enjoy playing, there's no deadline on how quick you have to learn unless your in a hurry. Just try to improve gradually and don't beat yourself up if you can't get things right straight away.

Good Luck

Chris

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Hi.

I too have been playing (teaching myself from books) acustic for a little more than a month, maybe 2, although i stated by learning the bacics of chords then learning tabs. I had the same problom. Even when i was holding it exactly right. But it seemed to pass as i practiced more and more and the position became more relaxed and natural.

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Hi,


Just a couple of thoughts.


1. Learning to play guitar without being able to accompany songs is boring. Even if it's only a simple song, you can generally learn them pretty quickly and then footer with the strumming etc. It also helps get your ear into the chord changes.


2. If you are having problems with 6 string chords - then try playing 4 string chords on D,G,B & E strings ( Just miss the two bass strings out). That will get you playing songs - particularly when you need to play "F" chords. You will need to add the two lower strings in time, but it will get you started.


3. You can start with two chord songs like Jambalaya - see -


<a href="http://www.chordie.com/chord.pere/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fgetsome.org%2Fguitar%2Folga%2Fmain%2Fw%2Fwilliams_hank%2Fjambalaya.pro&songbook=source&transpose=0" target="_blank"> http://www.chordie.com/chord.pere/?url= … 2Fgetsome. org%2Fguitar%2Folga%2Fmain%2Fw%2Fwilliams_hank%2Fjambalaya.p ro&songbook=source&transpose=0</a>


Then move on to three chords. There are a number of songbooks with these on Chordie.


Try The Lion Sleeps tonight


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4. And just keep going - or, as we say in Belfast, "Keep Her Lit".

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Is My struggle typical?


YES....Unless you are some gifted child prodigy with fingers of steel and guitar music running through your blood. (There are some)


Anyway for the rest of us it's a mostly enjoyable journey with ups and downs along the way. There will be some walls I think you have perhaps reached one them.


There's no quick fix, no real easy way. Just advice given, some will work for you and some won't.


All of the advice in the posts above are good and have worked for some.


All I will say is boringly Just PRACTISE. We all do we always will.


Best of Luck


Ark