Topic: Tuning Question

Hi Everyone.

The other day, I put my headphones on to play along with "Peaceful Easy Feeling" by the Eagles.

This may be a really silly question, but bear with me, I am a bit confused..
I noticed right away that my guitar did not sound the same as the recording. I mean, I wasn't expecting it to sound exactly like the recording, but this was so "off" that it sounded like I was off tune..

Can anyone explain this to me, if it's explainable? Is this normal? Is there something wrong with the way I'm tuning my guitar?

Thanks for any help.

anastasia

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Hi Anastasia,

Perhaps it was no more than you playing in a different key to the record. If I remember from your previous postings you have a capo, so try using that, one fret at a time, to raise the key and see if you can find the right one. Of course if the record is a tone or semi-tone down from the key that you play in you will end up with the capo on 10th or 11th fret but once you have found the right key you can then consider transposing the chords to match the record.

Roger

"Do, or do not; there is no try"

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you might try tunning your guitar to the recording first and capo if you need to

"Growing old is not for sissies"

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Hey Anastasiak, what chords are you playing? If it's D, G A7 etc., then you need to put your capo on the 2nd fret.

Is anything really made up of zeros and ones??

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Roger:  Yes, I do have a capo, and

alvee: I am playing G, D, A7, etc....

So, I will try to capo it on the second, or wherever it may take me smile

Russell:  I'm afraid I don't know anything about tuning to another key... and to be perfectly honest, I have broken a couple of strings (when restringing) because I don't know by ear what the notes are supposed to sound like, and I've wound too tightly.. I DO look forward to the day when I can tune to a recording, or even another guitarist, but right now, I'm still a newbie at this. 

Thanks all!  I believe I now have information to help me play along with more songs in my songbook. big_smile

anastasia

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do you have a electronic tunner if so play the song thru the speakers and turn the tunner on it will indicate what key the song is in or close to it,if its a chromatic tunner you can calibrate it to the song by switching the calibrate button or selector switch in the back,if you dont have a tunner it would be a inexpensive solution for your tunning problems

"Growing old is not for sissies"

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anastasiak112, wut Roger said is correct. You can also try this:

From what I know of the song it is in a 1...2...4...5...1 chord progression.

If you play open chords, key of "D" -   1 big_smile, 2=Em, 4=G & 5=A (A7).

If you want another key the same progression would work. In the key of "E" the progression would be -   1=E, 2=F#m, 4=A & 5=B (B7).

What I am saying is that  if you know this numbering system you can take any song and transpose the key into whatever you want the song to be. All into open chords.

When you set down to write down the progressions for any key remember this;
1, 4 & 5 will be Major chords.
2, 3 & 6 will be minor chords.
7 will be a diminished chord.

Here is how you write down the progressions (I'm going to use "C" just because it does not have any sharps or flats)

C...D...E...F...G...A...B...C
1...2...3...4...5....6...7...1


This goes          step - step - half step - step - step - step - half step
                 1.......2.......3..........4............5........6.......7............1
                 C......D.......E..........F............G........A.......B...........C
                 D......E........F#.......G............A........B.......C#.........D

Anyway, I hope this helps. I have more problems spelling yore name than working these progressions so I guess you are way ahead of me.

Nela

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anastasiak112 wrote:

Russell:  I'm afraid I don't know anything about tuning to another key... and to be perfectly honest, I have broken a couple of strings (when restringing) because I don't know by ear what the notes are supposed to sound like, and I've wound too tightly.. I DO look forward to the day when I can tune to a recording, or even another guitarist, but right now, I'm still a newbie at this

Anastasia, reading this I am now concerned that your guitar is on fact out of tune. It must be tuned to E A D G B e and you appear to have no reference to do this. If the strings are tuned relative to each other, then playing on your own it will sound OK but as soon as it is played against a correctly tuned guitar it will sound off.

Electronic tuners are relatively inexpensive these day and are probably the most convenient way of tuning, of course a piano or keyboard can be used if one is handy. In the interim there are many sites on the Internet where you can tune your guitar, here is a link to one: http://www.guitarforbeginners.com/onlinetuner.html

Roger

"Do, or do not; there is no try"

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NELA: Thanks for the lesson. It is definitely appreciated.  I will look into it more and I am definitely learning more about theory as I go.  (And you can always write "ana" if it's easier for you!! big_smile )

Russell and Roger:  Yes, I do have a chromatic tuner.  Roger, just so you understand where I'm breaking my strings, the first time I broke a string was because I was tuning higher rather than lower.  Understand that I have no knowledge of music theory at all.  Having said this, I changed a string once and wound it up too much before I turned on my tuner.  Does that make sense?  Now I always wind up the string and just as it is no longer loose (for lack of a better term), I immediately turn on my tuner. 

Also, when my tuner shows me a note, I don't know what the next note will be.  Perhaps you can clear this up for me:  If my tuner says B and I keep winding tighter, will the next note be C or E?  Meaning: Do the notes on the scale go C-D-E-F-G-A-B or do they go E-B-G-D-A-E? 

(I hope this makes sense.. I always feel like I'm confusing you guys because of my lack of knowledge and attempts to explain my confusion).

anastasia

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Anastasia,

Sorry I misunderstood you earlier comment.

Probably the easiest way to think of the notes is to imagine a piano, low notes on the left and high to the right. The white notes are C D E F G A B C D E F G A ......... but do not forget that there are also the black notes so including these also we have C C#(Db) D D#(Eb) E F F#(Gb) G G#(Ab) A A#(Bb) B C.......  Depending what key you are in the black notes can either be called sharp or flat.

Now your guitar keyboard relates to this progression so if we take the E string press on the first fret and we get F. Press on the second fret and we have F#(Gb) and on the third fret the note we have is G. By the time you get to the 12th fret you are at E again but one octave higher.

If you keep tightening a string it will also follow this progression, until it breaks that is.

I hope that helps but if it is still not clear please say so and we can try again.

Roger

"Do, or do not; there is no try"

11 (edited by alvee33 2008-06-22 11:59:02)

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How's this?

http://guitartipsonline.com/newsletter/images/enharmonicschart.jpg

You'll notice that some are shown like F#/Gb. This means next up from F is F# but is also 1 down from G which is Gb. So F# and Gb are the same thing.

But notice that 1 semi-tone (1 fret) up from B is not B# but C and the same with E to F (i.e. not E# but F).

Is anything really made up of zeros and ones??

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Well done Al,

"A picture paints a thousand words"

Roger

"Do, or do not; there is no try"

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I second Roger's compliment. This is a chart that every guitarist must memorize top to bottom, or bottom to top, however one looks at it. (Bottom is the lowest sounding string, or thickest: Top is the highest sounding string, or thinest)  Good stuff!

Give everything but up.

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Wow... I really can't say thank you enough. The comparison to the piano really helps. (I don't play, but for some reason, I know the keys and the progression.)

As for the guitar, every beginner book, DVD, etc. starts by showing you chords, how to read tabs, etc.. I've been focussing, and with great progress, on learning my chords, and changing chords smoothly, etc.  This information should really be part of these beginner guides, in my opinion.

Anyway, thanks to Chordie, I now understand this really essential information, and how the notes progress on the guitar. This really opens up a whole new area for me, and I will personally invite you all to my first concert. smile

a very, very, very grateful anastasia

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If you can get a few lessons done on a piano about theory, go for it. Excellent help.

"You have to get over the love of power, and enjoy the power of love, in order to know peace."
-Jimi Hendrix.

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ana, be sure to leave me a "Back Stage Pass" for your concert.

Nela