Topic: Transposing?

Hello all.

I want to play the song "Don't You Forget About Me", this version here from Chordie: http://www.chordie.com/chord.pere/stuff … tMe.chopro

However, it's a bit too low for me to sing.  Now, I know by transposing it, I can raise the pitch to one that I can sing.

This is where my question comes in.  By using the transpose feature in Chordie, say if I transpose it by +3 semitones, where do I put my capo?  3rd fret?  (Is it that simple?)

Thanks for any help (as usual!) big_smile

anastasia

Re: Transposing?

Using the transpose feature gives you an alternative(different) way to play a particular song. Example;
an E to D progression  up 3 semitones becomes a G to F  progression

You'll want to either Capo a higher fret OR play a higher chord progression. If you transpose up 3 semitones AND capo the 3rd fret, you'll be 6 semitones higher than the original version.  This might be too much of an increase. If you do one or the other, you'll be playing 3 semitones higher.

OK ?

Give everything but up.

Re: Transposing?

I understand this: E to D, +3 semitones, G to F.  Got that!  That takes care of the transposing feature. Great.

What I don't understand is how do I know where to put the capo?

Say I put the Capo on the 3rd fret.  Now which chords do I play? If the song calls for E to D (first 2 chords, for the sake of an example), then a capo on the 3rd fret, what do I play?

Thanks, again, for any info... so far, I'm learning something new every day. And that's good!

A.

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Anastasiak112, when you use the transposing function with Chordie you will still play in open chords. If a song is in the key of E and you wanted to change the key to G you would simply transpose up 3 semi-tones and play an open G chord.. Now, with a capo. if a song is in the key of E and you wanted the key to be in G you have a couple of choices.

Choice #1 - place you capo on the 3rd fret and then make a E chord. This voicing will be in the key of G.  In a 1 - 4 - 5 chord progression with the key of the song being in E the open chords would be E - A and B7.  Now, with your capo on the 3rd fret when you finger an E chord the voicing will be in G, an A chord will have the voice of C and a B7 chord will have a voice of a D7 chord.

Choice #2 - (hard) use your index finger to form a barre at the 3rd fret. With your middle , ring and pinky fingers form a open E chord. This will be you G voicing. Now while leaving your index finger barring the strings at the 3rd fret, take your ring finger and form another barre on the 5th fret strings 4, 3 and 2. This is a double barre and the voicing is in A. By sliding both your index finger and ring finger down 2 frets this double barre becomes a B chord.

Npw I know this will be hard for you to understand as it was hard for me to explain it. I found a good capo chart on the internet awhile back and I will try to locate that site for you. It is simple to read and it will tell you what you are asking.
Hope this helps.

Nela

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anastasiak112 wrote:

I understand this: E to D, +3 semitones, G to F.  Got that!  That takes care of the transposing feature. Great.

What I don't understand is how do I know where to put the capo?

Say I put the Capo on the 3rd fret.  Now which chords do I play? If the song calls for E to D (first 2 chords, for the sake of an example), then a capo on the 3rd fret, what do I play?

Thanks, again, for any info... so far, I'm learning something new every day. And that's good!

A.

To gain 3 semitones place the capo on the 3rd fret and play the song as you did previously. Instead of the NUT being your starting point the Capo now repaces the NUT as the starting point. Example; without a capo you have 20 or so frets to work with, with athe CAPO on the 3rd fret, you have 3 fewer frets to work with.

OK?

Ask questions until you are 100 % clear..........

Give everything but up.

Re: Transposing?

Simply put:

If you want to move the whole thing up 3 semi-tones just put your capo on the 3rd fret and play the same chords as shown without using the transpose tool.

Also, if you find a song where the chords look too dificult to play for your present ability, transpose it DOWN until you have chords you are comfortable with and then put the capo on the corresponding fret. E.g. If you transpose down 3 semi-tones then place the capo on 3rd fret and it will still be in the original key.

Is anything really made up of zeros and ones??

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Southpaw, I forwarded you a Capo Chart for review. If approved this would be a good place to post it as I think it would answer most of Anastasial112's questions.

Nela

Re: Transposing?

Don't think in terms of chords, think in terms of chord shapes.

Cappo anywhere, and play the same chord shapes you normally would at the open position.

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NELA wrote:

Southpaw, I forwarded you a Capo Chart for review. If approved this would be a good place to post it as I think it would answer most of Anastasial112's questions.

Nela

Got it NELA, looks good, I'm trying to condense it . Thank  you.

Peace and Guitars,
SouthPaw41L

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Okay, I finally got it!

Southpaw, Jerome, alvee... and NELA.. BIG THANKS!!!

NELA: You say it was hard to explain, but rest assured that your hard work paid off. I get it.

My confusion was cleared by your explanation on the chord shape with a capo producing a different voicing.  I was thinking that if an E shape is producing a G sound, how can I call it an E?  See what I mean?   I look forward to seeing this chart... I think it will further clear up my muddled mind! smile

I have no musical theory background, so I'm learning all of this thanks to all the great teachers here!

anastasia

Re: Transposing?

anastasiak112 wrote:

My confusion was cleared by your explanation on the chord shape with a capo producing a different voicing.  I was thinking that if an E shape is producing a G sound, how can I call it an E?  See what I mean?   I look forward to seeing this chart... I think it will further clear up my muddled mind! smile

I have a long running complaint about just this thing.   If you tell someone to cappo at the third fret, and play E, what they are really playing is G.   What you want to tell them is cappo it at the 3rd fret, and play the E shape, or even better, tell them to play G and have them understand what shape that is at the 3rd fret.

I catch myself doing this.  We're working up a tune in G where I play the guitar with a cappo.  I'm explaining the chord progressions, and catch myself explaining them in terms of shape rather than chord.

"That's a C?  I thought you said it was an A."  Gahhh!!!

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Re: Transposing?

anastasia,

Here's some general CAPO information for your reading pleasure.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capo

Give everything but up.

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Southpaw: Thanks for the article. Incidentally, when I first got my capo and wanted to learn about it, I came across this article. It didn't make sense to me then.  What I find great about this site (or any forum, really) is that I can ask my question the way I want to ask it, and keep asking till I'm 100% clear, right? wink

Like jerome so wonderfully understood where my confusion came from... the wording. (thank you, jerome).

I love it when I FINALLY get it! And, as I said before, thanks to all you amazing guitar players sharing your knowledge with me, I now get it too!!

anastasia