Topic: Guitar action musing.....

I was thinking yesterday about different aspects of my guitar action, playablilty, etc. , and a thought occured to me. When I put my capo on the 1 fret, I noticed that it gave a very easy bar chord close to the capo, and still didn't buzz further or close. So I don't know much about this, but why is it that whenever people lower the action, they say to lower the saddle? why not leave the saddle the same and lower the nut? Cuz with that angle, you get easy playability close to the nut and first few frets. and about the same further up. Helps a lot with those killer bar chords people are complaining about, like F and Bb right on the first fret.

any  opinions? Do I make myself clear?

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I thing you are right! Seems most companies allow a bit extra on the string nut to accomodate different gauge strings, neck shifting, playing styles, and such....a luthier will often relieve a bit off the bottom of a string nut as part of a Set-up and adjustment...  this all works with the fretboard radius, tention and gauge of the strings (open and lower tunings), height of the saddle, playing style...

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You are of course correct, A good luthier will make adjustments at the nut but this is a more critical adjustment that at the saddle and the nut adjustment affects the playability at that end of the fretboard. The saddle adjustment affects playability higher up the keyboard.

I remember years ago when nearly all guitars has a fret immediatley next to the nut to control the string height but sadly these days that practice seems to have gone by the wayside.

Roger

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So next time I do an action adjustment I might try that..... any tips on how to remove, fix, and replace nut? never done it before.

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i dont really no wat u are talking about could someone explain...   PLEASE smile

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Hi Linusguitar,

Read through this similar thread from the Acoustic section: http://www.chordie.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=8027

Montana this thread is about lowering the action (getting the strings closer to the fretboard) to make it easier to play. Please do not try anything here if you are unsure what you are doing as a mistake can ruin your guitar.

Roger

"Do, or do not; there is no try"

7 (edited by Guitarpix 2008-06-10 02:01:13)

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Just a quick tip about adjusting the nut. A good rule is to get a straight edge and hold it in the string grove of the nut and then place it on the second fret. Use a piece of paper to gauge your height at the first fret. You should be able to just catch the paper between the straight edge and the first fret. It's a fine line to get it perfect. You don't want the straight edge to touch the fret it self or you risk buzzing but it should be as close as the thickness of a piece of paper. Sanding down the bottom of the saddle works well enough but to do it properly the slots really should filed down so that the strings can be adjusted individually for proper intonation and uniformity. I use the Norman blake files to cut and buff mine and they work great. A set runs about $90 bucks a will do guitars and basses.  I log allot of time on my guitars so I 've got in the habit of tuning down a half step and playing with a capo on the first for comfort. I tune my 12 string in D and capo on the second to get back to standard tuning. This works great! Not only does it lower the action somewhat but it also reduces the tension on the strings allowing for much easier play, especially when playing allot of barre or for extended periods of time. Peace! -Pix

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ok thanks so far for all the tips...

Pix what you said looks like knowledgeable advice but I don't quite get what you meant with the straight edge and the second fret......

I'm a bit of a rookie with this adjusting and such.... I'm only fourteen but I've changed my action a couple times and I liked what I did. and besides I'm not doing it on a really good guitar... nice but a bit cheap. just foolin around I need more experience.

9 (edited by Guitarpix 2008-06-10 22:53:50)

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Ok maybe a few pics will help. I just took these to give you an example.. In this first pic. I'm simple using a ruler to form a bridge between the slot of the E string and the second fret. http://www.flickr.com/photos/10950798@N05/2568132941/  Now in this pic I'm using a piece of paper over the first fret to gauge the distance. http://www.flickr.com/photos/10950798@N … otostream/ It should touch the paper just enough for it not to slide between them freely. Keep in mind that we are only talking about one aspect of a proper set up. Before you can perform this step you should have settled on the string gauge you are going to be using and the truss rod should be adjusted properly. It should have a "very" slight upbow to it. This will effect the nut setup some so it should be performed first. Then you can adjust nut and then you move on to the saddle. About 3/32 at the 12th is considered the norm for a good setup.... Some may want it a little closer or higher. It just depends on your style of play...

Oh Yea as an extra tip you can fret the string on the second and use the string as a straight edge. then just use the piece of paper between the string and 1st fret. It's not as accurate but will give you a good idea of how yours sets... And again, this does take practice. If you do decide to try it just remember to take a little off at the time. You can always sand more but it really sucks when you go to far and have to get a new nut or saddle and start over. If you don't feel absolutly confident you can handle it, I'd carry it to a pro and see if you can watch. Then maybe you'll be ready for the next time. Peace -Pix

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Thanks a lot I understand now....

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