Topic: Flange or Phase?

I'm a little confused about the difference between a Flange effect and a Phaser effect.  I'm looking to buy whichever one makes the sound like a jet plane going overhead, or a rocket ship blasting off, or, if any of you know Journey, like the sound they have in the very beginning of "Be Good to Yourself" (One rockin song!).  It sounds like that sound should be named "Phaser", seeing as it sounds sort of like a phaser going off, but I'm also guessing that the pedal was not designed around Star Trek.  Anybody know which one is which?

2 (edited by johncross21 2008-04-17 20:14:28)

Re: Flange or Phase?

the two effects are similar both in sound and in the nature of the effect

the flanger is more commonly used to create jet planes

phasers are often used to create more subtle effects

in truth most guitarists use both sparingly (unless your in hawkwind) so it might be worth considering a mulieffects unit. I think you can get both on affordable models.

otherwise try em at the shop

Re: Flange or Phase?

John was pretty much to the point and right on, but since I never know when to shut up, here's some more technical stuff...

flangers have a more of a rotation or sweeping effect than phase shifters, a little like an old leslie.  Like John said, it can be used to create the jet sound. Phasers modulate less but produce a similar effect.  the old hendrix uni-vibe is really the 1st phase shifter and created a modulating effect. Check out his Star Spangled Banner in the movie Woodstock. You might be struggling with the difference because they are so related as to be nearly the same. 

both create a "wet" sound by shifting a portion of the signal a little out of phase with the rest (Phaser or Phase shifter).  The idea is to use a delay circuit (usually an RC) to move parts of the main signal sine wave out of phase with the original. The length of the delay and filter adjustment will determine how often and how much of the signal will cross and cancel, or sync and reinforce. This is usually applied in a series of stages to create the sweep sound. 
flangers create more delay points than phase shifters and can be a smoother effect at smaller delay rates because the signal can acquire more harmonic frequencies. However many flanger devices will allow the user to greatly vary the delay times creating a greater rotating or sweeping effect which can become a little overdone. The slowest sweep and largest amplitude creates the jet sound. 

The sound can get annoying as John mentioned.  Frampton uses one on just about the entire live album which makes his guitar kinda muddy, but tends to smooth the tone to get to that "I just ate 2 qualudes" effect. 
I used an EH Smallstone in the 70's and tried to graduate to a flanger in the 80's, but hated it and sold the flanger to a keys player and still have the smallstone.

highly technical brief if you want to build one.
http://www.geofex.com/Article_Folders/p … phase.html

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Re: Flange or Phase?

Very well said tonydr & johncross21.  The term "Flange" or "Flanging" goes way back to the days of reel-to-reel tape recorders.  Back then, the effect was created by mixing sound from 2 different tapes that had been recorded simultaneously.

When these two signals were mixed to a third tape, they would slow one of the tapes a little bit by simply putting their finger on the edge (or flange) of one of the tape reels.  This little lag would create interesting echoes.

Here is an interesting little article in Wikipedia about the flange effect:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flanger

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Re: Flange or Phase?

Thanks, I think I'm going for the flanger.  I'm looking more for something to put a sort of occaisional drama and character into whatever song I'm playing, instead of just boring old distortion.  A few hits on the flanger ought to do nicely.

Re: Flange or Phase?

somewhat related topic. BC RICH includes a reverse phase switch built in to reverse the coil tap on the bridge? pickup. This essentially wires the front and back pickups out of phase to create a modulated effect.  Haven't played a Rich Bich in quite some time so I don't remember if it sounds good or not.

anybody play one?

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