Topic: "Key" patterns

This is probably more for Russ or Doc or anyone who knows lol ... I know I see alot of songs I encounter as being played in the key of A, C, D, etc ...

What chords are in those keys?  I saw Rus hit on it a little in a previous post ... are the chords in them all standard, such as key of "A" contains chords A, C, E etc ... key of "C" contains the chords C, D, E, F, etc

Now is it specificalls notes or is it actual chords?  So if I play a song in the key of "A" the chords would A, C, E, etc?  I'm reaching here since I know those probably arent the chords in the key of "A" ... just trying to give an example of what I'm asking

Thanks !!!

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Re: "Key" patterns

Hi Tim,

The chords in the key of A are: A, D, E7  and F#m is the primary minor.

C is; C, F, G7 with Am as the primary minor.

D is: D, G, A7 with Bm as the primary minor.

There are of course many chords you can actually use in a song (I have seen 14 different chords in a song) but those are the basic ones.

Roger

"Do, or do not; there is no try"

Re: "Key" patterns

Tim,

I found this. It looks useful...

http://www.freehandmusic.com/ProductDet … ODID=95496

Is anything really made up of zeros and ones??

Re: "Key" patterns

Thanks guys that helps alot!  smile

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Re: "Key" patterns

The chords for any key can be derived as such.

Root - Major
II - Minor
III - Minor
IV - Major
V - Major
VI - Minor
VII - Minor b5

Every key works this way.  It's why it's a good idea to know your scales.

So C, for example

C
Dm
Em
F
G
Am
Bmb5

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Re: "Key" patterns

Damn Jerome that made a helluva lot of sense ... thanks for the "Scale Theory 101" impromptu!

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Re: "Key" patterns

Jerome,

you are the reason I never learn theory. You're always there. Awsome. I may have to look into this theory thing...

Is anything really made up of zeros and ones??

Re: "Key" patterns

Here's a bit of a tip.  Keep it in mind when you're writing songs.     

Every note in every one of those chords is found within the root scale.   So going back to our C major example, every note in chord D minor is found in the C major scale.  Same with E minor, F major, G major, etc...

You can play any of those chords and you'll at least be tonally correct.   There are some simple rules for chord resolution, too, that help you build chord progressions.

-I chord can change to any chord
-II chord can change to any chord except the I chord
-III chord can change to any chord except the I or the VII chords
-IV chord can change to any chord
-V chord can change to any chord except the II chord or the VII chord
-VI chord can change to any chord except the I or the VII chords
-VII chord can change to any chord except the II or IV

So that's a pretty simple framework for song writing.  There are much more complicated progressions that fall out of this but that's the start.

We always say that good artists know when to break the rules, but we rarely talk about what the rules are.  There they are.  Go learn 'em, so you can break 'em.  big_smile

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Re: "Key" patterns

You're brilliant Jerome.  Thanks for sharing your hard won knowledge and making the world a little easier for us.

- Zurf

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Re: "Key" patterns

I bow before the Music Theory master ... thanks Jerome!

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Re: "Key" patterns

Well, I'd love to tell you I'm really that smart, but then I'd be lying.

Theory, at least the beginning of it, isn't really that hard, but it is really useful.  It just requires a little study, and a keyboard helps a lot.

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12 (edited by wlbaye 2008-04-15 02:38:34)

Re: "Key" patterns

I think learning  the major keys , relative minor is very useful on the road to playing also and it is not too complicated for anyone.

Wayne                              G relative minor EM
                                        C relative minor AM
                                        D relative minor BM
                                        A relative minor  #FM
                                        E relative minor  # CM         
                                        F  relative minor  DM

OOps!   I should have looked at all the posts ,Roger had  my line of thinking covered!!!

Later, Wayne P