Topic: General info ?

Hullo,

Im pretty new to all this and looking for general info on accoustic or accoustic/electric guitars - what  forms/ builds are there, what makes the difference in the price ranges, what kind of strings to use and so on. Is there a good source for that kind of stuff ?

On a sidenote, when browsing a shop a few days ago I sat down and tried to play a stanford guitar. I was really impressed. Although my experience is limited to an old nylon stringed guitar without brandname, so it might not mean much.

I already read a few of those posts, with recommending trying out a lot of guitars in the shops and choosing by feel and ear. Well ... I will try to do this, but it is really embarassing to play in a shop as a beginner. Or at least it is for me. So I would like to stock up at the theoretical side beforehand at least smile

However, thanks,

Maks.

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dont be embarassed ask if they will let you use an empty studio if they have any otherwise play what you know remember everyone no matter how good they play started the same as you so dont let the stigma of embarassment stand in your way pick it!

"Growing old is not for sissies"

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Hi Maksat, you'll see loads of posts on the acoustic and electric forums about guitars and whether the expensive ones are worth the money.

Basic types are;

Classical nylon stringed acoustics
Steel stringed acoustic
Electro-acoustic

Semi-acoustic electric (aka archtops)
Solid Body electric

For a beginner I'd recommend a basic steel stringed acoustic. Great for strumming, learning open chords and getting you into proper songs quick.

'The sound of the city seems to disappear'

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Ok, let me change/ rephrase my question.

I want to buy a guitar, probably a steel stinged acoustic or electric acoustic.  I already read some posts here - iirc the advice for buying one either boils down to a) try as many guitars as you can and take the one you like and can afford, or b) a Martin/Gibson/Taylor is the best because it sounds/ feels best to me.  Although I hadnt had the time to read really a lot, so correct me if I'm wrong.

No, im looking for info about guitars in general, and guitar shopping in specific. Let me phrase some questions I would like to have answers to, so you get the general idea (appologies for stupid questions):

I saw body shapes called dreadnoughts, jumbo and classic - are there more ? What is the supposed difference in tune, or is it for looks only ?
Why is a western guitar a western guitar ? (sorry if this sounds dumb)
Are there certain woods to look out for or some to avoid ?
Does it make sense to buy an electric/ acoustic even if you never plan to play in front of an audience or in a band (well except for friends/daughter/wife)
Does a certain build favor a specific right hand style - atm I do fingerpicking without long nails mostly (I had a tiny bit of classic guitar education I didnt like as a kid), but I plan on learning to use a pick too.
Are there specific builds for specific styles of music, and are there more "general" builds ?
Are there downsides to a cutaway ?
Im looking for easy playability - is there more to look for than low string/ fretboard distance/ low frets ? Can that be too low ? If yes, how do I recognize this ?
Are there some things I should certainly do with a guitar before buying it (I know that sounds stupid - but playing is not the same as playing)- something special to try out ?
Are there sounds a guitar shouldnt make when doing certain things and if yes what (I dont mean going "clatter" when thrown out of the window)
A few days ago I tested 3 guitars in a shop, I liked them all, but the low strings did a kind of "pop" before the sound started - I dont have that on my old nylon one. Should they do this ?
How do different strings affect the tune ? Is there something to look out for ?
Are there specific things about specific brands (e.g. brand XXX is most suited for style B or brand *** has narrow necks - or something like that)

Well sorry for the long post and I dont expect to have all the questions answered here. But maybe you now a source where I could find some information. I just want to stack up on theoretical information before trying out lots of guitars - Im really bad a choosing when I have to chose from a very wide range, especially when only based on feeling without objective criteria (well maybe except price). There are really a lot of guitar shops here with really lots of guitars.

Thanks for reading,

Maks.

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1) Patronize your local stores whenever possible; you might pay a premium up front, but you will make that money back in service after the sale.

2) Some names are synonymous with quality, others not so much.  Remember, you're paying for the name too, and for some names, you pay a premium.  In the final analysis, buy the best instrument that you can afford, and let your ears and hands guide you in the decision; don't get so attached to a particular name/model that it blinds you to the most important consideration: how it sounds and feels to you to play.  If you find an instrument that you love to play, you'll play it more and progress that much faster.

As to your questions: Dreadnought, classic, jumbo refers to body size/style.  Each manufacturer has their own nomenclature.  Larger sized bodies enhance lower frequencies of sound, and hence sound "fuller" than the smaller styles.  It's a balancing act to find a tone you find pleasing in a guitar size that is comfortable to hold and play.

A western guitar generally has some sort of "western" (american) gimcracks associated with it; fret markers, headstock decorations, etc.  It also probably has a smaller body and shorter neck than a "standard" acoustic (whatever that may be).

Woods, I'll leave to others.

If you're not planning to play through an amp, then a straight acoustic will get you more guitar for the money; you don't have to pay for the electronics too.

I personally find that the width of the nut, which dictates string spacing on the fretboard, affects my playing more than anything else.  If you have fat fingers, you might want a wider neck.  By the time the strings get to the right hand, the spacing seems less critical to me.  I also finger pick, plus I'm working on hybrid (pick and fingers), and I've never run across a good guitar that I felt cramped my right hand style.

I don't find any downside to a cutaway, but my ears may be less critical than others.  I like the ease of access to the upper frets that the cutaway provides, and I notice only minor differences in tone in similar models from the same manufacturer.

Check the neck relief and the height of the action at the body fret.  On a decent guitar, fret at the 1st and 12th fret, and look for daylight under the 7th.  You should see it, but only just.  Look for string height (above the top of the fret) at the body fret to be around 1/16th of an inch.  My archtops have no fret buzz with an action height of 3/64ths; I'm basing off of that.

You recognize the proper action by feel, and lack of fret noise.  If it seems stiff, then the action is probably too high; if the frets buzz, it's too low.

Play something you're comfortable with, and play the same piece on every guitar you consider.  Look at the finish work on the guitar: feel for uneven or projecting edges of frets along the fretboard, look at the neck/body joint, sight along the neck for obvious bows and twists.  Check the body at the bridge mounting, look for evidence of the bridge pulling away.  Look inside the guitar, check that the kerfing is even.  Check the nut, the strings shouldn't be buried.  Look for cracks or runs in the finish.

Detune the guitar a bit, and then tune the string back up to tone (particularly the G string), and listen for a 'ping' at the nut.  If you hear it, then the nut is binding the string, and the string is under uneven tension over it's length; it likely won't stay in tune well.

No information on your 'pop.'  Doesn't seem right, though.

Strings are personal preference all the way.  Experiment and find some you like.  Try getting a different sort of strings each time you change, until you find the one that sounds best to you, or the ones that seem to hold tone the longest.

Ovation necks seem to be too narrow for my taste.  Other than that, go with what feels good.

Good luck, and let us know what you get!

"There's such a fine line between genius and stupidity."
                              --David St. Hubbins

6 (edited by Maksatchordie 2008-02-25 21:17:20)

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big_smile

Thanks for all that info, thats really great !

It will be maybe about 2 months before I buy something so dont hold your breath, I have to go through a major exam before, but after that I will reward myself smile  - well provided I will pass

I might be trying out guitars before though, but not much time atm with working and learning and a 2,5 year old daughter smile

Thanks again,

Maks.

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Dear Maksatchordie.
Also a big welcome here.
The "practical problems"
- What kind of guitar?
- What brand?
- Which strings?
You are NOT alone asking these questions, and it should be a shame if you didn't ask these questions. I wrote several topics about good, decent and not that expensive guitars. I have more than time enough to search a lot.
About the "big brands", acoustic: GIBSON  MARTIN   TAYLOR, and electric: Fender, Gibson, somebody wrote why these brands? A very nice topic. We are blinded, and 99% of the guitar players love to have a Gibson or Fender, I compare it with Coca-Cola, many people try cheap Cola, but they turn back to Coca Cola. (STUPID COMPARISON)
My method (easy speaking, because I have a pretty great collection) is this:
- Visit an on line store: www.musiciansfriends.com  www.zzounds.com  www.music123.com.
- You will see so many different brands, and if you want an SG (Gibson, Epiphone) remember that some of these brands are affordable, Gibson has even a pretty good guitar: Gibson Melody Maker Dual Pickup Electric Guitar $379,95.
- I pick an online guitar, and my next step is, trying to have an idea about the sound, which is now real easy: www.youtube.com, and search for the guitar(s) you love. In 90% you will be able to hear it.
- Of course the best you can do is: go to a guitar store, play on it. Just remember, about a stratocaster, I read that they have 37!! stratocasters.
- Also what I should do is, not having enough money, or not knowing if I will continue playing, I would absolutely not pay the big $$$, some guitars between 100-200$
- Epiphone Les Paul Special II Electric Guitar = 169.99$
- Squier (belongs to Fender) = 144.99$
You will find a lot of information, visiting the online stores. BUT it is a real forrest, I told about the melody maker ($379) but also Gibson Faded SG Special (699$). ALSO: I look on ebay, you can buy hundreds of Gibsons, Fenders.
So, listen to our fellow chordians, but this how I try to choose a guitar, on line store-youtube and look to some of my topics.

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HERE IS ONE OF THE LISTS I POSTED:
- Go to acoustic and the topic is TOP 10 BEGINNER ACOUSTIC GUITARS.
- Here some ELECTRICS: Peavey Predator Plus HB Electric Guitar PRICE: 219,95$, the topic is
GOOD ELECTRIC GUITARS? $$$$$ or $
I posted an answer, so it will be easier to find them.

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- MY GUITAR PLAYS EVERY STYLE = BLUES, ROCK, METAL, so I NEED TO LEARN HOW TO PLAY IT.
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Is there a cheapo fender strat that is actually good? I have an electric, but i got it for 10$ and fixed it up myself, and it's constantly going out of tune. Any insight as to some cheap strats, or some better ways to keep my junk guitar tuned?

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enjoipanda wrote:

Is there a cheapo fender strat that is actually good? I have an electric, but i got it for 10$ and fixed it up myself, and it's constantly going out of tune. Any insight as to some cheap strats, or some better ways to keep my junk guitar tuned?

Sorta depends on definition of cheapo...how much are you willing to spend? Some of the Fender Squire Strats are good but the quality can vary quite a bit. Sometimes one can find a Mexican made Strat at a good price and they are generally excellent guitars. If you're not stuck on an actual Fender then might look at the various import copies and also some older guitars. Peavey has lots of good quality, USA made, Strat type guitars that are often bargains on ebay and pawnshops...

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dguyton wrote:

Good luck, and let us know what you get!

Well, finally I bought today a blueridge BC-60. I found it quite hard to get the sound balance I liked - all the guitars that were supposed to sound "crystal clear" were kind of tinny to me, and the  ones with "warm, mellow" written on the package had somehow to my ears muted bass notes - that was the 'plop' I heard on my first visit to a shop, the bass doesnt start straight away but takes some time to build volume, so I heard first the plop of the string and then the note. Dunno if that makes sense.

Anyways. I'm really pleased with my Blueridge and I have sore fingertips now, with not being used to steelstrings. I paid 550 Euro, bag, piezo/microtuner, metronome, an extra set of elixir light strings and a rubber thing to put into the soundhole for avoiding feedback (I hope that mutes the guitar a bit, my wife/kid/neighbors wont be pleased otherwise) included.

Many thanks to you guys, esp. to dguyton, for your help. If anyone has made great experiences with blueridge guitars, post away !

Maks.

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You're most welcome, glad to be of service.  I hope you enjoy it for years to come!

"There's such a fine line between genius and stupidity."
                              --David St. Hubbins