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Topic: acoustic and classical...

hi everyone,
i want to buy my first acoustic guitar but i do worry about so many things.
1. i read in many places that acoustic guitar is good for a pop, country, rock lover not for someone who loves classical music PLUS ALL THOSE GENERS.
2. and also is not good for someone who plays with his nails. (when i play the bass strings on my classical guitar there's a little noise but i think acoustic guitar strings are different...aren't they?)
3. i don't see any changes in different classical guitar models but i see many differences in acoustic different models and it doesn't let me to even think about just changing my classical guitar.

and excuse me does the narrow neck of acoustic guitar make playing harder?

thanx.

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For me, the narrow neck of the acoustic guitar makes it EASIER to play.  I do a lot of strumming along with fingerpick.  The wide neck of the classicals make barre chords all but impossible for me.  Strumming is also difficult for me and doesn't sound good (from my perspective). 

To each their own.  I do play some fingerpick songs on a Classical and it works nicely for that, but I don't think I'd ever want to give up my steel string folk acoustic in favor of a classical.

- Zurf

Granted B chord amnesty by King of the Mutants (Long live the king).
If it comes from the heart and you add a few beers... it'll be awesome! - Mekidsmom
When in doubt ... hats. - B.G. Dude

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^the first clear and useful answer that i've got since i started  to post here! lol
thanx so much Zurf.

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There are many acoustic players who play with their nails. Always sounds so cool to me. Mainly cos I can't do it and also bite my nails.

I'd say the main difference apart from the neck width is the sound of the strings. Also the feel of the strings is hugely different. Steel strings are much thinner and I much prefer the steel sound over the nylon classical strings.

I also have to agree with Zurf that the narrower neck makes it a lot easier for me.

I'm just impressed you play classical. Total respect!

Is anything really made up of zeros and ones??

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the second clear and useful answer that... big_smile
thank you too, alvee!

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Acoustic / Classical Guitars.

I anyone ever gets the chance take a good look at what Willie Nelson is playing. You just might be surprised. And he does some amazing things with his music.

Nela

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mhdmhd wrote:

^the first clear and useful answer that i've got since i started  to post here! lol
thanx so much Zurf.

I shall edit post haste!

- Zurf

Granted B chord amnesty by King of the Mutants (Long live the king).
If it comes from the heart and you add a few beers... it'll be awesome! - Mekidsmom
When in doubt ... hats. - B.G. Dude

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I would say if you're wanting to do classical AND country/rock etc., go for a more standard acoustic, because while you can take a normal acoustic and fingerpick, trying to play alot of the other stuff on a classical guitar is painful and difficult. (Barre chords are bad enough without the neck being too wide, for me anyway tongue) The best thing of course, is always to try one out and see if you like the feel, see if you can work with it both ways,
LR

All You Need is Love smile

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thanx nela and last_rebel but at last playing barre chords are easier or more difficult on acoustic? (zurf says they're easier to play on acoustic and last_rebel says they're bad enough on a narrower neck. what will I say in your idea if i buy an acoustic?)
and is the huge size of acoustic against classical guitar irritating for you and will it make problems for someone like me?
sorry, but i'm a bit worried about the results of my decision.

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Well as far as barre chords go, it really depends on the size of your hands I guess. I have small hands so thier a real pain. I find them easier on electric, but thie not impossible on acoustic. The acoustic is actually a surprisingly comfortable instrument, just sit down witha few and pick one you have a good feel for.

All You Need is Love smile

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Huge size?  Just to give you more to worry about - what shape and size of acoustic do you want. Jumbo, Dreadnought, Grand Auditorium, with or without a cut out, parlor, shallow body , "baby"etc. You need to go to a guitar shop and browse. Apparently 1000's of people don't find the sizes avaialble irritating tho'!

I am playing all the right notes - but not necessarily in the right order! [Eric Morecombe]

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mhdmhd wrote:

and excuse me does the narrow neck of acoustic guitar make playing harder?

thanx.

This really depends on which one you first learn to play. If the steel string acoustic is your initial learning instrument, the wider fretboard on a classical guitar will be an initial obstacle, and vice-versa with the thinner neck of a steel string acoustic. Many of the previous replies contain helpful, informative, content but the bottom line come down to this; whichever instrument feels most comfortable to you is the instrument for you to choose. Keep this in mind as well; you don't have to choose exclusively between the two( steel string acoustic/classical) so my advice to you, for what it's worth, is get one of each and discover the harmonious individual differences that go together like peanut butter and jelly, and feast on the melodic magic....................

Give everything but up.

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last_rebel wrote:

Well as far as barre chords go, it really depends on the size of your hands I guess. I have small hands so thier a real pain. I find them easier on electric, but thie not impossible on acoustic. The acoustic is actually a surprisingly comfortable instrument, just sit down witha few and pick one you have a good feel for.

me too! i've got small hands. so do you thing that acoustic can be good for me? or maybe classical guitar is much better...(specially in playing barre chords)

SouthPaw41L wrote:

This really depends on which one you first learn to play.

i already play classical guitar. do u thing that i should continue playing it and don't think about buying an acoustic?

SouthPaw41L wrote:

so my advice to you, for what it's worth, is get one of each and discover the harmonious individual differences that go together .

that's a good idea but i don't have that much money to buy an acoustic and then after discovering the harmonious individual differences between this and my classical ask my sef: why did i buy it?

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You don't need a lot of money to play both. I play professionally for a living and I use one of these for my 'practicing at home' guitar. Too many people place too much emphasis on the quality(price) of the instrument one plays in the early stages of the learning process. It's the man not the machine that does the work.  Key words here for all you potential argue-a-holics- (( EARLY STAGES))

http://www.music123.com/Rogue-Starter-A … 1.Music123

Give everything but up.

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Take a wee trip to your nearest music store and spend an afternoon playing different guitars. Take as long as you like, even to the point of annoying the store staff (that's what they're there for). As Southpaw says you don't need to buy an expensive one.

Is anything really made up of zeros and ones??

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excuse me SouthPaw41L  but this guitar is IDEAL FOR KIDS if you read it's overview. yikes
but i have to say that i agree and the one who does it is me not the machine but not as much agree as it can force me to buy that guitar! lol
and hey i'm not STARTING to play guitar as i said.
and another thing is that the guitar that i already have has destroyed my fingers!( i don't really know why?)
and also i just wanted to know if it's easier to play acoustic.

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and hey thanx for you suggestion alvee but imagine if the staff let each person do this what would happen in the music store?

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mhdmhd wrote:

excuse me SouthPaw41L  but this guitar is IDEAL FOR KIDS if you read it's overview. yikes
but i have to say that i agree and the one who does it is me not the machine but not as much agree as it can force me to buy that guitar! lol
and hey i'm not STARTING to play guitar as i said.
and another thing is that the guitar that i already have has destroyed my fingers!( i don't really know why?)
and also i just wanted to know if it's easier to play acoustic.

Sorry Muhammad,
   I was just trying to help you out. And yeah I have read the reviews and I've been playing music profesionally for a few years. I use one of the exact guitars from the link I sent you to kick it around at home and practice. You stated that you didn't have a lot of money to spend so I showed you a low cost alternative instrument. One doesn't have to be new at the guitar to play a low cost guitar. But hey what do I know?

Good Luck Homey,
SouthPaw41L

ps- you need not reply to this post.........we obviously don't see eye to eye on this issue and that's cool. I just simply have nothing else to add.

Give everything but up.

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SouthPaw41L wrote:

You don't need a lot of money to play both. I play professionally for a living and I use one of these for my 'practicing at home' guitar. Too many people place too much emphasis on the quality(price) of the instrument one plays in the early stages of the learning process. It's the man not the machine that does the work.  Key words here for all you potential argue-a-holics- (( EARLY STAGES))

http://www.music123.com/Rogue-Starter-A … 1.Music123

I have a blue one of these...LOL  I use it on fishing trips. I bought it to keep in the canoe and play at campfires when we camp at night. Real rough set up out of box but with a little fileing and shaving she actually does fairly good.

[b][color=#FF0000]If your brain is part of the process, you're missing it. You should play like a drowning man, struggling to reach shore. If you can trap that feeling, then you have something.
[/color][/b]         [b]Peace of mind. That's my piece of mind...[/b]

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SouthPaw41Lps wrote:

- you need not reply to this post.

ok, i'm silent! big_smile
and thank u for your help friends. hope to be able to choose my best!

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Yeah.  Get to a guitar shop and try out a bunch of instruments.  Take some music along with you if you're like me and don't have a lot of songs or licks memorized. 

I think that barre chords are easier on a steel string acoustic.  Not only is the neck not as wide so you don't have to stretch as far, but the action is often lower too.  But that's just me.  Your mileage may vary.  I've got long skinny fingers, so maybe if you've got short fat fingers, the wider fretboard would be better for you.  I've got a buddy with fat fingers that just cannot play an "A" chord on anything but a classical.  (at least not without cheating)  It's hard to say how it'll work for you.  Trying out is the only way.  Guitar shops expect you to test drive guitars.  Don't worry about what they'll think of you, they don't listen to customers play.  They hear it all day every day, so don't fret it (hee-hee). 

Then there's all sorts of different shapes to the backs of the necks.  Well, there's just a whole other thing to figure on.  Classicals are all pretty smoothly rounded, but acoustics... Holy moley there's all kinds of shapes.  Play some and see what fits your bad habits, your good habits, your preferences for playing styles, your hand shape, and your wallet. 

- Zurf

Granted B chord amnesty by King of the Mutants (Long live the king).
If it comes from the heart and you add a few beers... it'll be awesome! - Mekidsmom
When in doubt ... hats. - B.G. Dude

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NELA wrote:

Acoustic / Classical Guitars.

I anyone ever gets the chance take a good look at what Willie Nelson is playing. You just might be surprised. And he does some amazing things with his music.

Nela

I second that...Willie is amazing. I love listening to his solos. He doesn't get nearly the credit he deserves. When a solo can make your hand stand up that's great stuff and he does it over and over

I used to be disgusted; now I try to be amused.
Elvis Costello

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SouthPaw41L said i don't have to say "thank you" for each person who posts here but this time i have to say that zurf!