Topic: song stealing

Are you all aware that once a peice is submitted to the interenet, without prior copyright protection, that the said peice becomes public domain property and can, legally, be used by anyone? I'm not writing this to deter you all from sharing your work but to advise you to protect your work before you display it for public consumption.
The easist way to ensure your property stays yours is to mail a copy to yourself and leave the inside material unopened. Make sure the package has a clearly visible postage stamp with a date included.
There's lots of fantastic work shared here on Chordie and with 150,000 or so members the work is seen by many. Most people are honorable and good but there are scumbags among every group. Protect your masterpieces!!!!!!

Give everything but up.

Re: song stealing

thanks southpaw, Ill keep this in mind the next time i post something. good looking out
sels

Everything is bad including me
But being bad is good policy
Reverend Horton Heat

Re: song stealing

somebody said one time that when we post a song on here it becomes ours already.... maybe James could shed some light on the subject???
either way its probably best to do it the right way, interesting copyright laws we have aint it?

All You Need is Love smile

Re: song stealing

Hi Toney,

Like Rebel, I also thought that posting a song here on Chordie gave us copyright protection as the date and time it was uploaded can be proven. I see I shall have to be going to the Post Office tomorrow now.

Thanks,

Roger

"Do, or do not; there is no try"

Re: song stealing

Roger Guppy wrote:

Hi Toney,

Like Rebel, I also thought that posting a song here on Chordie gave us copyright protection as the date and time it was uploaded can be proven. I see I shall have to be going to the Post Office tomorrow now.

Thanks,

Roger

Hello Roger,

It's much easier to manipulate time and date information on a computer posting than to alter official postage material. The process of mailing one's material to oneself is basically 100% indisputable in a court of law.

Cheers,
Toney

Give everything but up.

Re: song stealing

i hate to be the harbinger of bad news but the only way to protect your song is with a copyright.keep in mind the copright does not deter anyone from recording your songs if they choose,but it dose give you a leg to sue them and settle out of court.case in point george harrison "my sweet lord was ripped from the song "he's so fine they settled out of court for a undisclosed amount another song by huey lewis "want a new drug" was ripped as the "ghostbusters"song they settled. sending a letter to yourself is not a strong deterant and as evidence in a law suit wont hold much water. if you have doutes check with some free legal advise before proceeding all my song are copywritten it only cost $47.00 and you can copright a whole album as "works by auther"if you list each song separately.

"Growing old is not for sissies"

Re: song stealing

Toney, WHAT if you mail copies to others? And what is stealing? In fact I know what stealing is of course, and it seems also different from country to country. About the date, it is not difficult to change, and I just listened to some RAP music, using SAMPLES of existing songs, but they use it very clever, just 10-15 seconds.

[color=blue]- GITAARDOCPHIL SAIS: TO CONQUER DEAD, YOU HAVE TO DIE[/color]   AND [color=blue] we are born to die[/color]
- MY GUITAR PLAYS EVERY STYLE = BLUES, ROCK, METAL, so I NEED TO LEARN HOW TO PLAY IT.
[color=blue]Civilization began the first time an angry person cast a word instead of a rock.[/color]

Re: song stealing

i couldnt care less if anyone nicked my songs {not that they are any good} but the fact that someone would go to those lengths to use your music is a victory ,then you know that what your doing is appreciated.no one on chordie is in it for the money but for the love of expressing yourself through the medium of music.

Don't Cry because it is over...

    smile because it happened.    Gabriel GarcĂ­a Marquez

Re: song stealing

There are some misrepresentations of Intellectual Property law in the advice above.  If you want to protect your songs from improper use, I recommend consulting an attorney licensed to practice in your jurisdiction and with a specialty in Intellectual Property law. 

I am not an attorney, but it is my understanding that by publishing the material publicly and claiming it as your own creates an enforceable copyright.  Putting the little C in a Circle is a demarcation that something has been copyrighted and is usually accompanied by information about who owns the copyright, but is not obligatory. 

However, that representation could be a crock of crap.  If you're serious about it, get real honest-to-goodness legal advice.

- Zurf

Granted B chord amnesty by King of the Mutants (Long live the king).
If it comes from the heart and you add a few beers... it'll be awesome! - Mekidsmom
When in doubt ... hats. - B.G. Dude

10 (edited by SouthPaw41L 2007-12-14 08:03:40)

Re: song stealing

Don't know if the misrepresentations Zurf was referring to was my post or someone elses. The information I posted was advice given to me by a real life entertainment attourney.

The best way to protect ones property is to submit said property to the library of congress for copywright certification. While awaiting approval ,the method of mailing oneself ones work awaiting to be copywritten is a precautionary measure to protect ones work.

"Copyright
Comments are generalizations and may not apply to every situation. It is advisable to consult with a competent professional before relying on any written commentary. Paul D. Supnik is a member of the State Bar of California and not of any other state or country. The material set forth herein is not for the purpose of soliciting any engagements where to do so would be to offend or violate the professional standards of any other state, country or bar. This web site Copyright 1996 by Paul D. Supnik

Currently, a copyright comes into existence upon its fixation in a tangible medium of expression, whether or not the work is registered and whether or not the work bears a copyright notice. However registration and copyright notices are generally recommended.
Registration of a copyright within 5 years of first publication established a prima facie presumption of the facts in the registration certificate. Registration prior to infringement preserves the right to attorneys fees and statutory damages, giving the copyright proprietor bargaining leverage in settling infringement disputes.
Copyright notices in the United States are no longer required as a condition of maintaining or acquiring copyright protection, however it helps avoid contentions by infringers that they were not aware that the work was subject to copyright protection.
The Internet does not remove copyright protection. It still exists and lawsuits for infringing on the Internet are likely to become more frequent.
Works of foreign origin which have been in the public domain in the United States in the past may have been restored as a result of new legislation. Additional benefits to rights holders may be obtained, for a limited time, by recording a Notice of Intention to Enforce a Copyright with the Copyright Office.
The failure to renew copyright in works used to cause works to fall in the public domain. Now, if a work is not renewed, it does not fall into the public domain. However, there are still probably certain advantages to filing the copyright renewal with the Copyright Office. Works which previously fell into the public domain as a result of failure to renew are likely to still be in the public domain.
Copyright registration forms may be obtained from the U.S. Copyright Office. Request form TX for texts, PA, for works of performing arts, including scripts, plays and musical compositions, SR for sound recordings, VA for works of visual arts. Call the copyright forms hotline, 202-707-9100 for copyright registration forms.
Copyright registration is usually made by completing the copyright form, sending the completed form with a check for $20, and including either a deposit copy, often two copies if the work has been published, and sometimes "identifying material". The specific requirements can be complex, but the Copyright Office can be helpful in providing requirement information.
For published works, there is a requirement that the deposit copies include copies of the best edition of the work. There is a well defined hierarchy of what constitutes the "best edition" of a work. There are also specific requirements for the deposit of motion pictures, and there is always the possibility that the copyright office, through the Library of Congress will require the submission at some point in time of best edition of a motion picture, which generally means a 35mm print. However, for the purpose of registration, it is now generally possible at least initially to file the registration application with a VHS tape.
Works made for hire arise either out of an employment relationship or as a result of a contract in accordance with the copyright act setting for the limited situations in which a work is a work made for hire. Determining whether an employment relationship exists is not simple. The U.S. Supreme court listed about a dozen factors which must be considered in making that determination, none of which are necessarily determinative. Absent an employment relationship, a work may be a work made for hire only if it is one of a select type of works specially defined in the statute, e.g., an audiovisual work such as a motion picture. Even there, the statute probably requires that the contract making the work be a work made for hire, be signed by both the commissioning party and the commissioned party. Some recent cases have suggested that this agreement cannot be signed after the fact, and at least one case has hinted that the agreement must be signed before even any conceptualization has commenced on a project.
Assignments of copyright must be signed by the party assigning the copyright. However, licenses of rights in copyright need not be signed to be enforced. Nevertheless, oral agreements are difficult to enforce.
Assignment of copyright should be registered in the Copyright Office. The effect of recordation of a copyright assignment is to provide constructive notice of the assignment, if recorded within one month of execution, if executed in the United States, and within 2 months of execution if executed outside of the United States.
Assignments of copyright can be terminated by the assignor under certain circumstances. Generally, there is a five year window of time to accomplish the termination beginning after the end of fifty-six years from the date copyright was originally secured, or beginning 35 years from the assignment for transfers after January 1, 1978. The purpose is to give the creator of the work or the statutory successors a second chance to exploit the work when the value of the work may have been significantly enhanced since the original transfer. However, the termination of transfer provisions of the Copyright Law are not available for works made for hire.
There is no magic percentage formula that will shield one from a lawsuit for copyright infringement. If there is substantial similarity of protectable material in the would be infringing work, there is the basis for a valid claim of infringement.
 
 

It is possible to obtain an injunction to prevent infringement. Seeking preliminary injunctive relief at the outset of a lawsuit tends to be costly, but can be effective and has a tendency to result in the lawsuit coming to a conclusion promptly. Under certain circumstances it is also possible to obtain seizure orders to have infringing goods seized. Both for preliminary injunctions and for writs of seizure, bonds are required to protect the party against whom the injunction is granted or against whom the writ of seizure is granted, in the event it is later determined that the goods were not infringing."


Hope you all found this information to be helpful and enlightening.

Peace and Guitars,
SouthPaw41L

Give everything but up.

Re: song stealing

I wish someone would use my songs lol