Topic: thumb problems

hi all. just started learning the marvellous guitar however do lack of time and funds im teaching myself and am getting through pretty well through sheer determination.however when praticing chords my thunb seems to wander off towards the top of the guitar orslip overthe top. ive watched other people play to try and answer this yet they all have different rules regarding the thumb. in general( and when practinsing basic chords E A d etc)where does my thumb go and how do i keep it there. plus any other practice tips would be much greatly appreciated.i seem to have hit a lull and really want get better.cheers guys

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hi all. just started learning the marvellous guitar however do lack of time and funds im teaching myself and am getting through pretty well through sheer determination.however when praticing chords my thunb seems to wander off towards the top of the guitar orslip overthe top. ive watched other people play to try and answer this yet they all have different rules regarding the thumb. in general( and when practinsing basic chords E A d etc)where does my thumb go and how do i keep it there. plus any other practice tips would be much greatly appreciated.i seem to have hit a lull and really want get better.cheers guys 
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One of the best "tips" I ever got was to keep the pad of your thumb planted firmly on the back of the neck.  It gives you much better reach with the rest of your fingers, gives you a stable platform to pivot the hand, gives you a good marker for moving reliably up and down the neck,  and gives you a good "pinch point" for the barre.

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Noise,


As a beginner, it's easy to develop the habit of "grabbing" the neck of a guitar, instead of lightly holding and placing your fingers on the frets!  Jerome said it well, that it's a good practice to place your thumb "behind" the neck.  This practice will give your fingers and hand a better range of motion when you move to barre, or more difficult chords. 


Most new players tend to support the guitar with the left hand.  Thus, forcing you to "grab" instead of "lightly hold."  If you often sit down when you play, try using a strap (even while sitting.)  The strap will help you by supporting most of the guitar's weight (which is most at the neck) and stabilizing the instument on your lap. 


Personally, I like to stand when I play.  So, using a strap is a must!  Give it a try and let us know your feedback.


Thanks,

Kahuna

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good advice on both.

i was tught like jerome to have the pad of your thumb in the middle of the neck at the back.

I dont always do it but it does work, it makes you train your hand more supposidly



Ken

ye get some that are cut out for the job and others just get by from pretending

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I was a "grabber" before I was a "light holder" and I still catch myself grabbing.


It's a hard habit to break.

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your right. its a nasty habit i didnt even realise i had until now. thanks for tips though. chords are sounding a lot clearer now and even started attempting barre chords which i was too scared to even look at before. they dont sound great yet and are making a mess out of my chubby fingers but i feel like im progressing once more. still long way to go yet. tell me its worth it!!!!

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your right. its a nasty habit i didnt even realise i had until now. thanks for tips though. chords are sounding a lot clearer now and even started attempting barre chords which i was too scared to even look at before. they dont sound great yet and are making a mess out of my chubby fingers but i feel like im progressing once more. still long way to go yet. tell me its worth it!!!!
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It's totally worth it, or so I'm told.   <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_biggrin.gif" border=0 alt="Very Happy">  I'm not "there" either.  I think it's a lot like golf, in that you're never really "there,"  so you should at least enjoy the trip.


Having said that, *absolutely* learn to barre.  Just form a barre across the neck, and play each string until it resonates clearly.  Don't even try to play a chord just yet.   Do that a lot (every day), until you can do it and not feel like you're strangling the neck.  Then add some fingers.   Your hands will cramp a little (or a lot!), but as you practice, they will get stronger, and it will become second nature.


Barre chords open up the fretboard for you.  It's one of those techniques that will kick you up to the next plateau in your development.   At least it did for me.

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Sorry to bother y'all with this....I'm a brand new user of Chordie and cannot figure out how to post a new message.  Obviously I've found how to reply to one, but can someone tell me how to ask a new question in the forum?

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Hello Baba30 - to start a new thread within the Forum, do this:


Go to Forum Home (click tab for Forum at Chordie's home page).

Look at the list of broad topic headings withing the Forum - pick the relevant topic.


Within each topic there are several sub-topics . . . check to see if there is already an open thread that might be your subject of interest.  If not, then towards the top of the forum screen is a button that says "New Topic" (or something like that).


Label your new topic with a brief name or description.  Write your message in the message window & post.


Not hard - just look all over each screen in the process - scroll up and down to see everything that is there.

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Muchas gracias.  This is a very cool site.

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Getting back to the original topic, I guess I'm going to upset a few folk by saying - why can't you do both? Obviously not at the same time.

I guess I've been a "grabber" for too long but it does me no harm. When barring my thumb is slap bang in the middle of the neck but for most open chords I'm afraid I'm a "grabber".


Grabber and proud!

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me too I guess,

iam a grabber too, but I am comfy wit hthat.

Sometimes though I do have my thumb in the "correct" position. But then I always think my thumb is in the correct position if I have it anywhere.

I even have my thumb hold down the low E on the first fret sometimes to do ???? whatever chord it is.


let us grabbers stand and be counted

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Ken

ye get some that are cut out for the job and others just get by from pretending

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im a grabber. i was taught to "grab the neck like an ax".  when playing barres i put my thumb on the back of the neck.

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great. just when i start telling myself grabbing is bad its now ok again. no one thing i have learned from other people and mainly this forum is that once you can play having an individual style of playing aint a bad thing as long as it sounds good. however, saying that ive progressed a heck of a lot since i stopped grabbing at it so my advice is avoid it at first. learn to play the conformist way and introduce it later. although i do feel i havnt practiced for ages thanks to any of my time being taken over by work and the mrs. any tips on that problem  <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_biggrin.gif" border=0 alt="Very Happy">

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Not forgetting of course that it is sometime necessary to 'grag' for e.g. when holding the top string with your thumb ...


Kahuna, good advice re using a strap even when sitting down, helped a lot! Thanks.

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Alvee,


Yes, I think you can do both!  There are a lot of professional players out there who really don't care where their thumb is on the neck.  Again, placing the thumb behind the neck is "good practice," but not mandatory to play well.  Some blues players even use the thumb to dead out the 6th string.  However, if you are going to play classical or flamingo, having the thumb behind the neck is a must! 


Thanks,

kahuna


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Getting back to the original topic, I guess I'm going to upset a few folk by saying - why can't you do both? Obviously not at the same time.

I guess I've been a "grabber" for too long but it does me no harm. When barring my thumb is slap bang in the middle of the neck but for most open chords I'm afraid I'm a "grabber".


Grabber and proud!
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