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I thought I would have a go at writing a song in answer to question I was asked about using AI for composition and live performance. At a weak moment Maree decided to play keyboards on it as my hands were experiencing a bit of pain trying to keep up the tempo needed for the song. Just a cellphone recording at a later date I might tidy it up a bit more.
That was pretty interesting ... like any tool AI can be used, or misused ...
Cheers
Richard
Enjoyed that Pedr. The end chord was a surprise, but I like it.
AI...yeah, as neo says any tool can be used or abused. I think that a lot of people mainly youngsters will use it as a shortcut to making them into "pop stars" and lots of money? Dream on. All these AI gizmos are making the creators a lot of cash and the users lazy as they don't need to learn how to play an instrument or even how to sing or compose. I suppose I'm at fault as I use a synthetic to replicate the sounds of piano or strings, but at least I actually play the thing. Beware humans...skylab is coming...lol
Cheers Richard and Piri, you are right if used properly AI can be good. But what I am saying if you have a talent, and you want to express what is humanly in you then I don't think you need to depend on AI. Though I have met a singer poet and writer who tells me he now uses AI to develop his lyrical ideas. I have another friend who uses Band In A Box sometimes to write music but for the final product he likes to actually get musicians to play. I have heard at open mikes now many turn up with backing tracks instead of accompanying themselves with a guitar or whatever. To me if people do that, they should call it Karaoke. Though I not against using tech along with instruments to fill out the sound. Bands using click tracks live tends to sound stilted to me though with a solo player it can work for me as an audience member. When a band has a drummer I notice the free flying ones are more enjoyable to my ear then ones who are obviously using click tracks. Was it Ringo Starr who famously said I am the click track in the recording studio? But with regards to AI being used as part of the creative process it most probably feels ok to the younger ones where to me being a person who likes it to be from me it wouldn't feel right. But the truth been told it would most probably give me a better composition.
BTW
The outro chords came about after I pushed the wrong buttons on my keyboard by mistake and I realized the full organ sound sort of worked.
I call them "happy accidents"
As for backing tracks I used them when I was gigging, it began because venues had a disco on first and at the end, so a bloke with a guitar looked and sounded lost. Though I can't see the point at an open Mike night, isn't everyone meant to join in?
Cheers Piri, the Open Mic I have been to have all been as you say everyone joining in. Most will have a band who if you bring a chord chart of what you want to sing they will back you or if you want you can play solo with your own instrument of choice.
Here in Wellington back in the 60's and early 70s we had a lot of Cafe's where people played Folk music where many songs were sang by the performer and audience. Pubs and clubs were more Band orientated in the 70's and 80.s there were plenty of venues for bands. In the 90's a lot of that changed and things like disco's seem to pop up with band venues getting less and less. From the 90's onward to survive many musicians had to go solo and rely on tech to fill out their live sound. Band venues are getting less here now but there are still a few.
Some of its due to the bars not getting the crowds like they use to so the bars don't have the budget to employe bands. A young bloke told me he sings at a Open Mic, that allows some to bring their own backing tracks. I told him if they do that it should be called Karaoke. There is a group here who are really good singers when they play with a band I love them. But when they do gigs with backing tracks it doesn't work for me but many love them with a band or a backing track. One thing I miss now my Mum has passed on is her telling me stories about Big Bands and dancing and singing at Cabarets in the 40's and 50's. A thing she use to call going out and "Tripping The Light Fantastic". I'm ranting I better stop here.
Pedr you rant away buddy, there's not much going on here on Chordie at the moment so it's nice to have something intelligent to read first thing in the morning.
I remember the good old days when all our working mens clubs had organ and drum backing. Some of the bigger clubs would put on a variety night, usually Saturday, where you'd have a group to kick off the night, then a solo singer then a comedian then the group would finish the night off. But as you say when the 90s arrived the club scene died off a lot so the first thing to go were the backing musicians and discos were brought in. As you say a lot of solo acts began to use backing tracks or they'd look stupid standing on stage mic in hand singing acapella! I scraped by because I played the guitar. Ah, the days of flare trousers and kipper ties, that's the part I don't miss!
Cheers Piri I have enjoyed the interaction on here with you. When I look at the hair and clothing styles that I was into at a different phases of my life I often think what was I thinking. It always amazes the younger generation that see those photos of the young fella that was me with long ginger hair is now the person who has what's left of his hair colored grey. The younger me and the me now are most probably from different planets. Maybe that could be a book title Young Are from Mars Old Are From Venus. though I can't really see that becoming a central metaphor in any society.
That was clever with the voice over bits Peatle, well done. I have mixed feelings about AI myself. I think I prefer the human touch and human thoughts, ideas with song writing and performance. Having said that, I think it is very clever what AI can do.
Hi Jan. AI doesn't frighten me it just makes me sad that we can now get a machine to do stuff that humans can do perfectly well without mechanical help. It irks me when I hear modern songs with layers upon layers of voices harmonized and in perfect pitch. Listen to the Beach boys or any of those close harmony groups and wonder why? Does music production need help that badly?
That was clever with the voice over bits Peatle, well done. I have mixed feelings about AI myself. I think I prefer the human touch and human thoughts, ideas with song writing and performance. Having said that, I think it is very clever what AI can do.
Cheers Jan thanks for having a listen and making a comment. Having Maree use the E sharp as the dominant chord on piano I wasn't sure it would work with my lack of vocal ability. My backing vocals were a bit of car crash over my lousy lead singing, but I thought I put it up anyway in the hope it might have some value as a song. I was wrapped that Maree decided to be kind and play the keyboards.
Without sounding like a conspiracy theorist, we all have to be a bit weary of tech and its power over everyday people to do good or bad.
I suppose as computers and smartphones take on the role of acting as both our window to the digital world and the means through which myriads of private companies from data brokers to social media companies themselves can now surveil our every action that we the people don't end up in a George Orwell situation.
Having AI mow my lawn could be good or bad but once we take humans out of preforming tasks what are people going to do in order to earn or just entertain. Could you imagine a TV show called AI's Got Talent. I wonder if smart technology makes human smarter or technology smarter. Will having a robot tell me it loves me feel the same as having a human tell me that.
Piri, I like what your saying about vocals on modern recordings.
Listening to modern recording the auto tuned vocals on them ruins it for me for me a few rough edges sound much better. I think they call that the Cher effect. Give me raw vocals any day by good singers.
AIs got talent...you never fail to find the humour in your writings..lol
Thank you Piri I was wondering if anyone would get my humour. Some of the young ones around here think my sense of humour comes from my old man grumpiness. A young friend of mine loves this video of a busker playing her guitar and singing attached. Me, though I like her voice. I don't see how you can call her guitar a guitar I would call it something else what I'm not sure. Maybe I would call it a prerecord key selector of real instruments..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGpXxlSjrRE
Yes Pedr that was special. Beautiful voice. I noticed she had an acoustic guitar also? Now the instrument she was playing....it wouldn't surprise me if it was an Xbox guitar or some such, all she had to do was put her finger on the correct fret and touch the stickee out bit, all very clever and techno. What next a robot shaving razor? Can you imagine the conversation as you're driving to town? "YOU MISSED A BIT UNDER MY CHIN" If anyone gets any ideas, I thought of it first!
Yes Pedr that was special. Beautiful voice. I noticed she had an acoustic guitar also? Now the instrument she was playing....it wouldn't surprise me if it was an Xbox guitar or some such, all she had to do was put her finger on the correct fret and touch the stickee out bit, all very clever and techno. What next a robot shaving razor? Can you imagine the conversation as you're driving to town? "YOU MISSED A BIT UNDER MY CHIN" If anyone gets any ideas, I thought of it first!
Good one Piri, I just found on youtube a description of the instrument that lady was playing. I will attach a link below.
Phill Williams wrote:Yes Pedr that was special. Beautiful voice. I noticed she had an acoustic guitar also? Now the instrument she was playing....it wouldn't surprise me if it was an Xbox guitar or some such, all she had to do was put her finger on the correct fret and touch the stickee out bit, all very clever and techno. What next a robot shaving razor? Can you imagine the conversation as you're driving to town? "YOU MISSED A BIT UNDER MY CHIN" If anyone gets any ideas, I thought of it first!
Good one Piri, I just found on youtube a description of the instrument that lady was playing. I will attach a link below.
Looks like a few people didn't like it ... based on the comments section ...
Cheers
Richard
No comment apart from; I wouldn't buy one. I got my first guitar at 15, I'm 73 now and still learning and enjoying learning. This all began with drum boxes, who needs a drummer? Now it's who needs a group or orchestra or talent?
No comment apart from; I wouldn't buy one. I got my first guitar at 15, I'm 73 now and still learning and enjoying learning. This all began with drum boxes, who needs a drummer? Now it's who needs a group or orchestra or talent?
I'd agree it's not for everyone ... I had a couple of similar gizmo's, they are fun for a bit, then the fun wears off ...
Cheers
Richard
Cheers Richard and Piri. I wouldn't buy one for me. If I had a recording studio it might be fun to mess around with one but I think it would be a short-lived novelty for me. For me trying to play a real instrument is better because I feel you can get more of a tactile experience. To my ears there is that tangible difference of sound on a real guitar depending on the way a person plays. Not sure if anyone could do it on that thing. The key board sound on there most probably wouldn't allow much use of counterpoint though it might have a polyphonic ability built into it when playing it as a single instrument. Maybe it could be good for someone who wants to have more than one instrument going at a time when by themselves. Possibly it would be interesting to see one in a music store to try if its retail price isn't too high.
Cheers Richard and Piri. I wouldn't buy one for me. If I had a recording studio it might be fun to mess around with one but I think it would be a short-lived novelty for me. For me trying to play a real instrument is better because I feel you can get more of a tactile experience. To my ears there is that tangible difference of sound on a real guitar depending on the way a person plays. Not sure if anyone could do it on that thing. The key board sound on there most probably wouldn't allow much use of counterpoint though it might have a polyphonic ability built into it when playing it as a single instrument. Maybe it could be good for someone who wants to have more than one instrument going at a time when by themselves. Possibly it would be interesting to see one in a music store to try if its retail price isn't too high.
Yep - my issue is that it's essentially a new instrument, and if you're up for learning a new instrument, then fine, but don't go into it with the mentality that it is a guitar and will feel guitar-like ... it's a new instrument that require (maybe) some similar techniques, but it is a new instrument ... and at that point it fails me, because I think if I'm going to learn a new instrument, I should make it piano, which opens up keyboards, which opens up synth, which opens up all kinds of sounds .... anyway, it made such an impact on my life, that I can't remember it's name - I'll have to see if I can dig up the photos. I bought it secondhand and moved it on for around the same price 6 months later.
Cheers
Richard
Cheers Richard, I was thinking while drilling down into this subject what simple instruments I would use or suggest getting a young kid started on a music playing journey. The ones that I think that I would suggest for starters are as follow, melodica, ukulele, recorder. Then if a kid showed aptitude or a desire I would then look into pianos, guitars or other traditional instruments before venturing out to other gizmos. Though there are some musical genius whiz kids on YouTube who are playing traditional instruments at an incredible young age better than adults most humans are challenged and have to work hard to play any instrument at any level. In my most probably not so good opinion, anything that comes easy doesn't always have the same satisfaction of an achievement that comes with a bit of a struggle. To me there will always be good social capital at being good at something but the real good feeling is when you overcome something to get there. Enough of my ranting hope this gives someone food for thought even if what i am posting on here doesn't make sense.
Cheers Richard, I was thinking while drilling down into this subject what simple instruments I would use or suggest getting a young kid started on a music playing journey. The ones that I think that I would suggest for starters are as follow, melodica, ukulele, recorder. Then if a kid showed aptitude or a desire I would then look into pianos, guitars or other traditional instruments before venturing out to other gizmos. Though there are some musical genius whiz kids on YouTube who are playing traditional instruments at an incredible young age better than adults most humans are challenged and have to work hard to play any instrument at any level. In my most probably not so good opinion, anything that comes easy doesn't always have the same satisfaction of an achievement that comes with a bit of a struggle. To me there will always be good social capital at being good at something but the real good feeling is when you overcome something to get there. Enough of my ranting hope this gives someone food for thought even if what i am posting on here doesn't make sense.
Yes - I managed to find the one I had; think I bought it (2nd hand) for $au200 and sold it for about the same:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XHOZUwX2zI
Cheers
Richard
Hi Richard. Thanks for the link. The intro saw me drooling over the guitars on show and I very impressed with that pseudo guitar thing,loving the sound etc. At first I wondered why you got rid of it but after watching the vid for a while I understood perfectly. It's not the same as the girl was playing in Petes video but it would take a lot more convincing for me to get one, either one!
Thank you, Richard that was interesting. I couldn't' t imagine me buying one of those but I'm sure if I had the right skills and mentality, I would consider it.
Played my AI song live for the first time last night really went down well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz8rpqAQgio This is the original version Ive changed the live version slightly .
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