Topic: facebook

an off-duty soldier was cut down by machete wielding terrorists in the middle of london last year. it turns out that they were corresponding and planning their attack on FACEBOOK. the chicken livered british government want all such sites (facebook, google, yahoo etc) to voluntarily give this information over to the authorities instead of legislating that they must. i'm disgusted!

it appears that Facebook knew about this conversation but did nothing. if i'd been a member of Facebook i would resign my membership immediately. if this atrocity had happened in the US there would have been a huge hue and cry. we brits on the other hand  have just said "oh" and left it at that. come on chordians, make a stand and dump Facebook.

i'm sorry if this is political and for once me being serious, but it has maddened me to that point.

phill

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I agree that with regards to any plots to harm or attack people or buildings there should be people who monitor these activities and report them to the respective agencies that can take action and prevent this type of atrocity from happening just as we moderators monitor spam on this site. privacy is not the issue here but the welfare of innocent people and action must be taken prior to these acts of violence this should be a law.

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I thought they did monitor and report things like this. I'm not happy to hear this either.

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BS - I don't want facebook monitoring any of my posts / messages. Its a right of privacy. I am also certain that the NSA (and Britain's equivalent) have the means to monitor EVERY SINGLE message or post sent over the web.

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Some people will feel strongly against Facebook or any site monitoring private messages for the reasons Topdown stated it would violate there right to privacy, I don't honestly feel that there is anything sent in an email or text or whatever is any worse then what is already on the web on dozens of sites that have webcam girls or even more explicit and graphic photos or videos so I don't feel anything I put out there privately or publicly would be any cause for alarm or even raise a few eyebrows, unfortunately there are individuals who use the web to prey on children or plan a covert act that will result in great harm and if the NSA really dose monitor they don't do a very good job because several people including Americans had there heads cut off and it was uploaded to you tube surely they must know the domain and who is responsible but still it happens and no one has come up with a solution to shut these events down. I believe in the freedom of speech and privacy but I don't think the founding fathers envisioned the internet or global communications when they drafted the constitution or the bill of rights.

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I'm not intending to take a side on this, but while we can be reasonably certain that the founding fathers didn't envision Facebook or the internet, that they certainly envisioned killing British soldiers in correspondence.

The crime is horrible, and I do think Facebook had some responsibility to do something with their knowledge when they became aware of it, but I also have to think there are thousands if not tens of thousands of schemes plotted on Facebook every year and nothing comes of them. Putting the onus on Facebook to determine which are genuine, which are people running their yaps, and which are ruses to distract from other nefarious plans is not credible. They are a business and not a counterterrorism unit.

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yep fair enough zurf, they cant be expected to check every email or thread that passes through their site, but there are programs that look for certain catch words or phrases that i believe government departments (spies) flag up. the worst part of this atrocity is that these 2 individuals live in the uk and take advantage of the benefits and freedom that this country provides. the messages they sent each other was over an open line (i believe) so they could and should have been flagged up and investigated. i am aware that a lot of terrorist activities have been uncovered and stopped before bombings/murders and the like were actioned and the authorities are to be thanked and congratulated for their action, but anti-terrorism is all our concern these days as i know you us-ers are well aware....lets unite over this one?

i must stress though that the majority of muslims are brilliant people and they should not all be judged because of the hateful actions of a few brainwashed   individuals.

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Apart from Chordie and a fishing forum I take part in, I don't use any "social media" (Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter, Pinterest, etc.) Why would anyone want to put their entire life online for everyone to see? And how much honesty is needed to put up a profile of a person that someone just dreams about being?

I'm not at all important, and no one really needs to know who I am. There are too many predators out there who are victimizing people through these channels, and I'm quite content to have no involvement. I'm blessed to have my incredible wife of 35 years, my family, good friends, a safe neighborhood, and some solid business colleagues ... that's all the social network I want or need.

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Here's how it works:  People post stuff. Algorithms and users flag things that are inappropriate or annoy them, people barely making minimum wage review flagged info and either OK it or forward it. Forwarded stuff gets reviewed by people making a buck more than the first person. If further thought to be an issue it gets sent up the line a bit further to someone making more money. Then, that guy may forward it on to the appropriate authority.  Since Facebook is an American based company, it goes to US authorities I presume... What/when/how the government decides to handle it then who freaking knows.  Problem is, the first person that saw it probably only speaks English and was counting on Google Translate in the first place if it wasn't in English... And even then it had to make enough sense for them to send it up, or the algorithms (or other users) to flag it in the first place.  BUT, there is a process.  I was moderating content for a less popular social platform, and that was the process.  I am sure Facebook has a similar one.  It's far from foolproof, of course.  And like Zurf said, a business first trying to make the people receiving ads (spending money) happy first and foremost.  If you saw half the crap that gets flagged, you would understand why people barely making minimum wage are on the front lines (and therefore how legit stuff could get through).  I still don't know what the Arabic translation of "underwater cable" means... But I think its harmless yet derogatory... Or maybe its worse?  The people making a buck more than I was didn't think so.

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I dumped face book two days after I got on it,To me it seemed like a breeding ground for all kinds of bad stuff that could happen on it. I never have used twitter seems like it is a dumb social media spot and another breeding site.Youtube and chordie  great sites!!

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Ahhh The beauty of the realization that the only privacy you have is what is in your head.  The minute it is out of your mouth and /or posted on the net, BOOM! all facades are up in smoke.

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You are right Amy, everything on the net is sifted through some kind of filter..... looking for???  You cannot stop everything when you are not looking for a needle in a haystack, but rather a particular needle in a haystack of only needles.

As for the Soldier killed in London.... That was a tragedy. Phill is right also that if it happened here in the States, folks would be up at arms about it. MI-5 is taking heat for missing that one as well, but we all know that something is bound to be missed sometimes.  (I would have mentioned Ferguson here as example of public outcry, but will not entertain debate on the subject)

We are being watched and listened to, and Beamer is also correct that things you want/need to keep private are best kept in your head and off public forums, because the record of it will never disappear.

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Doug, I do believe I have the next song subject,, and the hook is something of "all of what you have is in your head, keep it to your self or you might get dead"
not to rob too much from grace slick or 4 non blonds,,,,LOLOL

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Re: facebook

Good post, Amy! Excellent post!!!

George Orwell, Gene Roddenberry, Isaac Asimov, and many others all saw this coming. As we have handed over our decisions to technology, we have in turn forfeited the right / ability to think for ourselves. I cringe when someone speaks of another "app" that'll do something for me, so I don't have to think. Our simple spell-check or grammar-check programs are a good early examples. If my computer is going to take care of these things, then I'll quickly lose the ability to express myself in writing, or spell my words correctly.

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Tenement Funster wrote:

I cringe when someone speaks of another "app" that'll do something for me, so I don't have to think. Our simple spell-check or grammar-check programs are a good early examples. If my computer is going to take care of these things, then I'll quickly lose the ability to express myself in writing, or spell my words correctly.

My phone is nearly 10 years old and has no idea what an app is. I'm OK with that. I can wait till I get home and use the laptop if I need to find something. But I disagree about the spell check. I feel that function has actually made me a better speller. After a couple misspellings I learned the correct one. I rarely get that squiggly red line under words when I'm typing now and it's usually because I'm trying to type too fast and miss a letter.

In regards to the OP; I abhor facebook. Oh look, there's that squiggly red line. I guess I spelled facebook wrong. smile

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In this day and age privacy is a figment of our imagination. If you use a computer, have a bank account, phone, credit card, boat, car, or house you can't hide from anyone who wants to find information about you, it's all out there. I don't like it either, but thats the way it is with this modern world we live in, you just have to protect youself as best you can. "Keep calm and carry on."

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one thing i have to say about "spell-check" i do use it but there are words that are spelt differently in UK and US eg; COLOUR or the US color. if it had to be simplified why not kuler?...go figure?

on a more serious note, thanks amy for explaining that, it just goes to show the more money you have the more crimes you can get away with, unless it's against the government or the church. as i stated though, theses guys are english born and bred as far as i know, so would probably been conversing in english? that part is not clear.

i have no interest in facebook but i did join twitter but have never used it or filled in any personal details. i used to use yahoo answers but found that it was being frequented by perverts and idiot kids using bad language and indecent imagery. which is why after these years i'm still on chordie.

phill

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Phill, I have read through this link many times, and I wonder. We could go back to the crusades and see this kind of thing happening. This type of scum has no religion or belief, they are just filth who would have committed a murder anyway. I would think most Muslims are as disgusted as we are.
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good question keep, i hadn't heard about that one, it just goes to show how our elected leaders can manipulate us into accepting and doing their will. god help the poor of the UK if the UKIP party get into power. or indeed if the tories retain power. sorry i got all political again.

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