Topic: What makes a guitar great the player or the guitar?

If you see some videos and you see SRV playing it is as he plays with his 2 fingers in his nose, and it seems that fender is the best there is.
See Jimmy Page and Gibson is the best there is.
Often I am thinking how guitar players are pushing a guitar into an interstellar level.
You almost forget that there are a lot of other brands.

ENDORSEMENT? The way to make a small brand big? Who would have seen that PRS is a damned good guitar if Paul Reed Smith wasn't so persistent to offer one to Carlos Santana.
I believe that if you perform a blind test with 20 guitars you would see different results.
The must have a Fender or Gibson... is it manipulation or reality COMPARED to other guitars?

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2 (edited by cytania 2008-07-21 14:55:41)

Re: What makes a guitar great the player or the guitar?

Easy, the player every time.

SRV's bass player described his strat as a nasty finger shredder, apparently Stevie often had bleeding fingers after gigs and tried to harden the tips with superglue. EVH's 'frankenstein' was described as 'crap' by reviewers when a replica came out. Joe Strummer's telecaster is heavy and could hardly be intonated it's so worn, yet in his hands it was Clash magic.

Wannabee luthiers are gifting big players with special models all the time. Often the player never plays the gift but the manufacturer trumpets the 'endorsement' anyway. Minarik were very cheeky with Lemmy suggesting he'd switched from Rickenbacker to their bass, picture of Lem with it looks like a photoshop job too!

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Re: What makes a guitar great the player or the guitar?

cytania wrote:

Easy, the player every time.

Agree 100%!!!!!

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Re: What makes a guitar great the player or the guitar?

Yep...I agree! It's the player...   notice that sometimes a player will have a guitar onstage sitting on a stand? Often that's an endorsement model and part of the agreement is to be seen with the instrument. I met a mandolin player once who didn't play his endorsement model much (although an outstanding model) but was required to be seen with it...His main instrument was the same brand, but a much older model that he'd played for years...

Middleaged Redneck sorta guy who refuses to grow up...passion for music, especially Southern Rock but like bout everything cept Gangsta/Hip Hop. Collect guitars, mandolins, and love to ride Harleys.

Re: What makes a guitar great the player or the guitar?

this is a no brainer the player

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Re: What makes a guitar great the player or the guitar?

Great players play great instruments. They earn this right

You don't see those top notch NASCAR race car drivers pedaling big wheels(little,plastic, tri-cycle toy) around the race track do ya?

You don't see Wimbleton tennis players using spatulas to hit the tennis ball do ya?

You don't see world class Bass fishermen using a soda pop can and sewing thread to catch fish do ya?

You won't ever see a World Cup soccer game with those guys runnin' around in cut-off wrangler blue jean shorts, they wear top notch, athetic sports shorts, right ?........

Shoot fire, I could go on all day with this one.........

A great instument will not make an ordinary person sound great, but a great player will make an ordinary instrument sound great. IT IS THE MAN, NOT THE MACHINE!

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And then we see the Great Jimmy Page with a Dan Electro...course he had about a truck load of Les Pauls too! I think it was Yngwie who would play a Squire Strat and bash them since they are cheap...but has a Signature Fender Strat that he plays most of the time...

Yes, most earned the right thru hard work, dedication and lots of luck and opportunities...

Middleaged Redneck sorta guy who refuses to grow up...passion for music, especially Southern Rock but like bout everything cept Gangsta/Hip Hop. Collect guitars, mandolins, and love to ride Harleys.

8 (edited by Detman101 2008-07-22 17:26:40)

Re: What makes a guitar great the player or the guitar?

From my experience it's both.

I am by no means a great guitar player. But i've been playing with the wrong instrument now for the past year and though I have made progress, it has been hard.

Had I been working with an instrument that fit me better, I could be 30% more proficient at my desired hobby as I have been working with something that did not fit.

Though the artists ability is a large factor in the whole summary of the condition, the instrument's quality plays a HUGE part in it as well.

No matter how hard you try....you will never....ever....be able to polish a turd.


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Re: What makes a guitar great the player or the guitar?

I agree with Detman 101, Both.  Peter White records in the studio with a no-brand Asian made acoustic he bought at a garage sale for around $75.00 many years ago, "because it sound better in the studio".  On stage however he has an arsenal of custom guitars (OK at least two that I've seen).

We have to allow however that a good instrument can if nothing else, by virtue of being easier to play, inspires one to spend more time at it.  More time = more practice = better musician.  The perception is that the better instrument sounds better.

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A good player can get A GOOD SOUND using a squier, but look at their gear, big fat (often Marshall) amps.
If you perform on stage and you have the possibility to play in front of 80.000 people, you won't probably not hear a difference. Squier vs Fender MIM vs Fender MIA.
Or an Epiphone LP custom vs Gibson LP.
It' entirely different if you compare 10 guitars, and I use that amp a lot, an ACOUSTIC amp without using effects. Give real good players 20 different Electric Guitars, with the headstock covered and see what this result should be. Or you can blindfold the player so he is able to feel the body without seeing it.

[color=blue]- GITAARDOCPHIL SAIS: TO CONQUER DEAD, YOU HAVE TO DIE[/color]   AND [color=blue] we are born to die[/color]
- MY GUITAR PLAYS EVERY STYLE = BLUES, ROCK, METAL, so I NEED TO LEARN HOW TO PLAY IT.
[color=blue]Civilization began the first time an angry person cast a word instead of a rock.[/color]

Re: What makes a guitar great the player or the guitar?

Well, I guess you can say that I fit into that category.
My skill is not the best...but not the worst either.

I make up for my current "middle-of-the-road" skills with good equipment.
Guitar: Agile Silverburst Les Paul
Amp: 1978 Peavy Artist 240 (Tube)

I get great tone and it seems to distract people from my mistakes...

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Dm

"Talent instantly recognizes genius,
but mediocrity knows nothing more than itself."

-Sir Arthur Conan-Doyle