Topic: dead rock people

When you see the average age when "rock-Icons" die, you will almost see that the majority is 27 years old.

Jim Morrison, Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, and Cobain and a few others. My theory is that they have such a big succes, in a short time, reason why they suffer, even if they wanted to be famous. Cobain said that the successtory of Nirwana was killing him, my advise should be, why the hell did you send tapes or sign a contract for making records, so in such thinks I really don't believe. What I believe is, because of the sudden stress, along with success, that they escape reality, drinking, blowing, injections with heroin. <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_twisted.gif" border=0 alt="Twisted Evil">  <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_mad.gif" border=0 alt="Mad">

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I could say every rock star death is different Phil (Buddy Holly died of wanting to get his shirts cleaned and pressed!) but we a comparing a very small group (rock star fatalities) with the American average.


Having said that two big factors shine through.


1) Amount of travel, stars have always done the road. If travel presents a risk then stars must have several times more exposure to it.


2) Heroin appears to present a performer with the answer to exhausting schedules. Shoot up and within a few minutes you have clarity, focus and nothing seems to be able to touch you. Stage fright is turned into icey cool. Of course plenty of musicians just got into heroin as part of a decadent scene but you'd be suprised how many first were given it by a manager, band mate, roadie. Same can apply to amphetamines.

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I would suggest that the downward spiral experienced by many performers might be due to the fact that the realities of their success are very unlike their dreams of what success should be like.  Elvis lived into his 40's, but the creative spark had been extinguished years before.


On the other hand there are highly creative and successful artists who continue to blossom anew through the decades.  I have great admiration for creative souls who are somehow able to keep stoking the burning desire to continue making something new and different.

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<img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_cool.gif" border=0 alt="Cool"> I do agree with you, BUT what I find so strange is especially the age, when they died.

My opinion is that especially at this age, 27 years old, is linked to the fact that they were suddenly very famous and it was really hard to become suddenly, so famous. I remeber me Keith RIFF Richards, told that they are very easy targets, knowing that they are like you said, always on the road, restless, thinking of the fact "do we have a good performance" + the easy access to those substances, like heroin, to be back to keith, he told that he is still alive, because he could afford it pure, not with other substances, to cut the heroin. But on the moment, I think when the album "goat's head soup" he was the numero uno on the deathlist, also Lou Reed was, and a few others. It is always easy to get that stuff, but more difficult to stop.

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- MY GUITAR PLAYS EVERY STYLE = BLUES, ROCK, METAL, so I NEED TO LEARN HOW TO PLAY IT.
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Elvis wasn't really a 'creative' but he was highly effective at picking songs. He probably died of undiagnosed Herschprungs syndrome, which is where the lower bowel doesn't know it's full. However crash-dieting didn't help. In fact crash-dieting also accounted for Mama Cass's death.


It's certainly true that Elvis died with very little recorded material left to release but given sufficient furlough I reckon he'd have recorded again, even if it was only R'n'B covers (which he had a real connoisseurs collection of). Elvis was locked into a small number of Nashville songwriters but there was talk that he was going to break free and accept songs from wider sources.


As regards the age of death, whilst the young have great constitutions heroin builds up resistance very quickly. It simply gets harder to estimate how much more is needed to give a high. Likewise cocaine really stresses the cardio-vascular system. Nothing like all these drugs to weaken a formerly strong person; so Brian Jones goes from being a good swimmer to drowning...

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Here is a little morbid deceased rocker trivia quiz.  'Mama' Cass Elliot and who else both died in the same London apartment belonging to what creative musical genius who died broke a few years later because of unscrupulous management?

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Keith Moon died in the very same flat 4 years later. It was owned by Harry Nilsson. Do I get a prize?

'The sound of the city seems to disappear'

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Excellent!  Yes, your prize is a fabulous all-expense-paid trip to your favorite room in your house to practice!  Seriously though - I'm glad you knew the answer.  An artist's music becomes even more interesting as you learn about their lives (and deaths) and times.


Howzabout this - where did Lynyrd Skynyrd play last before their plane crashed killing most of the group's members?

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Would that have been Greenville South Carolina? How about the last place Otis Redding played?

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Well, if you offer me this, I would be very grateful (dead?) no, kidding. It is in fact fascinating, and I don't mean about planecrashes.
I am a MD and thanks to that fact I was backstage Doc for more than 15 years. The festival is considered as the biggest in Europe and I've seen it all, in the beginning you could realy speak about, it is a cliché, sex, drugs and rock & roll, but the more years passed, the accent is or was, because I stopped doing this job, since they spread the festival in 4 stages, main-, side- ...
I talked with a lot of artists, because they are just like us, asking if their performance was good. I even became very close with Dave Grohl, ex-nirwana, now Foo Fighters.
This the only thing I regret, he invited me to come to Seattle, gave me his address, phone, he was free in August and I did not go, I phoned him, but "my job" was more important then. Still it's painful, he is a hell of a person, and about Kurt... and MSS LOVE, he suggested very weird stuff, but acceptable

[color=blue]- GITAARDOCPHIL SAIS: TO CONQUER DEAD, YOU HAVE TO DIE[/color]   AND [color=blue] we are born to die[/color]
- MY GUITAR PLAYS EVERY STYLE = BLUES, ROCK, METAL, so I NEED TO LEARN HOW TO PLAY IT.
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gitaardocphil - not certain which festival you are referring to, but the mere idea of being a backstage festival physician is fascinating . . . quite a gig.


In response to the Otis Redding pre-crash gig, I'm stumped.  A bit of net-sleuthing didn't turn up anything other than he was on tour and had played the Monterrey Festival recently.


Is that it?  Redding's music still sounds fantastic to this day - - a great testimony to his talent and the raw energy a stageful of talented musicians can deliver.


Here is another one - who wrote "Get Together" made famous by Jessie Colin Young and the Youngbloods?


I'm enjoying this thread - gitaardocphil hope you don't feel it is veering too far from your original topic?

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Dead Rock star the vast majority that died before the age of 40 usually was most times from lots of drugs and booze. After a while preforming some just burn out, and take drugs to cope with boredom, depression, aniexty. The groupies probadly get old after a while, and just having to dedicate half the day to make sure the sound quality on stage is good. After the show fans, girls, and other vices were too hard to resist for some of them.  <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_cool.gif" border=0 alt="Cool"> I think good roadies, and crew members can make a band last or crash.

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The unfortunate fact is that some people seem to lose their way in life.  It is sad when an artist who has creative flair comes to an early end.  Likewise, it is just as sad when 'regular folk' make bad decisions or edge incrementally into self-destructive behavior that hastens their demise.


Are creative individuals (musicians, artists, writers, performers, etc.) more prone to destructive behaviors?  Certainly, some flaunt their self-destructive tendancies as if they are a badge of honor.  I would suggest that an artist who respects their art form and is serious about creating would not willingly compromise their abilities.


I have seen the lives of regular people devasted by drugs and alcohol and gambling and just plain stupid behavior.  I feel more sympathy/pity/frustration for those regular folks as I do for deeply-toubled self-pitying artistic types.

"That darn Pythagorean Comma thing keeps messing me up!"
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hey hey!

it's very likely that Robert Johnson, who influenced so many of rock & roll's "superstars" is also a member of the 27 club. there is some doubt as to the year of his birth, and cause of death, but by most accounts he died at age 27 from drinking poisoned whiskey.


peace, slim.

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I think that if we organise a BBQ for the family of the "27 club", beautiful idea from you, that we should have at least a lot of people. I am looking for Robert Johnon, probably on amazon

[color=blue]- GITAARDOCPHIL SAIS: TO CONQUER DEAD, YOU HAVE TO DIE[/color]   AND [color=blue] we are born to die[/color]
- MY GUITAR PLAYS EVERY STYLE = BLUES, ROCK, METAL, so I NEED TO LEARN HOW TO PLAY IT.
[color=blue]Civilization began the first time an angry person cast a word instead of a rock.[/color]

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My feeling is thier like kids in a candy store, to much to fast.I to have seen the life's of regular folk destroyed by stupid behavior,and it is a vary hard and sad thing.As far as respect for their art,addiction can take control of a person's life.Without the right people around them to influrnce them,their addiction can control thier life's insted of them controlling it.                                   As far as Otis Redding's last performance.His plane stoped at Burk lakefront airport in Cleveland,Ohio to refuel. While he was there he performed one song [try a little tenderness], on a local t.v. show called upbeat. He then took off for his destiny.                              Get togeter was wrightin by Chet Powers aka Dino Valente or Jesse Oris Farrow. He also wrote Hay Joe.

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Another bit of trivia: Who is this woman in the attached photos, and why would she be included in this thread?<img src="index.php?t=getfile&id=72&private=0" border=0 alt="index.php?t=getfile&id=72&private=0">

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Apparently the previous dead rock people trivia questin was just too obtuse (sorry).  The leaping figure skater in the photos is Monica Danneman.  The East German-born figure skating champion and artist was the last person to see Jimi Hendrix alive.  He died in her London flat under questionable circumstances.

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Dead is dead no matter what age you are. Death is only thing that is garanteed in life.  You start dying as soon as you are born. With that said although the persons mentioned above life was cut short sometimes by nature and not their own doing they left a musical legacy other wise this thread would be going on. Celebrate what they left behind their music dont repeat their mistakes. Live each day like it maybe your last and play your guitar.


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Amen to that Bootlegger.

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im surprised that clapton has made it this long think about it he was doin the same stuff with the same people in the late sixties and early seventies

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the majority of deaths though wee accidental.


hendrix drowned to death in his own vomit

marc bolan had a car crash


i think it's just coincidence that people like cobain, morrison, joplin, bolan and hendrix all went around the 27 mark. i think it's just down to the style of their lives - the drugs and the pressure

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Well a lot of rockers die of a lot of causes. Lynyrd Skynyrd with a plane, plenty others in travel related accidents, some by drugs. There have been lots who have made from the seventies to today. Clapton to name, Iron Maiden to name another. Hey James, how did the lead guitarist of Pantera die? (Should be easy, but i couldnt think of anything harder off the top of my head)

Have you ever thought of a world with no hypothetical situations??

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Hey firefly - guess I'll wave my Geezer Flag and admit that I am unfamiliar with Pantera . . . I'm sure they were quite notable, but I just never noticed them.  But I shall hazard a guess - - - was it some sort of Spandex-related incident?

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Well a lot of rockers die of a lot of causes. Lynyrd Skynyrd with a plane, plenty others in travel related accidents, some by drugs. There have been lots who have made from the seventies to today. Clapton to name, Iron Maiden to name another. Hey James, how did the lead guitarist of Pantera die? (Should be easy, but i couldnt think of anything harder off the top of my head)
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The orginal posting was an average age of death 27 years old. That elimnates Lynyrd Skynyrd deaths and also Dime bag Darrell's death. By the way an obsessed fan shot him in the head while on stage in front of an audience (I Believe in Ohio, USA).


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