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Don't force it, use a hammer- mine
In one ear, out both - a friend's father
Doc,
This video from the Taylor website was VERY helpful for me. Watch the "Care & Feeding Part 1 and Part 2"
http://www.taylorguitars.com/see-hear/
On the right side of the page there is a box called See/Hear, under that there is an item called Wood&Steel Video Extras. Click on that item and watch the two features that I mentioned above. Sorry but there does not appear to be a direct link to the video.
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My chord changing is pretty good but I’ve noticed that it is actually a little better on faster paced songs with quicker chord changes. It stands to reason that if you can play a fast song and make the chord changes, then on slower paced songs (such as Bruce Springsteen’s Nebraska), chord changes should be seamless. Well mine are actually more sloppy! I began to practice slow songs forcing my left hand to change chords faster, and all I do is speed up my strumming at the same time. I finally realized that I’m stuck at the point where my two hands CAN work independently, but CAN NOT work at different speeds. Any ideas or exercises to allow the left hand and right hand to work at different speeds?
Thanks
There may not be that much difference in the woods but there is a difference in construction techniques and a significant difference in tonal quality (although my frame of reference is unplugged only). There is some anti-Gibson (acoustic) sentiment out there today. There is a perception that that they have a lot of sales based on advertising and endorsements of stars. BUT, there are MANY players who swear by the Gibson Jumbos. I think that you hit the nail on the head when you said a lot of it is personal preference.
I have an 810ce and really love it! I fell in love with the Taylor sound with the first strum. I'm now looking at a Martin HD28. I'm drawn to that Martin low end. The 810 will stay though! I'm of the group that really appreciates both sounds, yet they sound so different. There are so many great guitars out there. Dreads are great for strumming and picking. You will get a lot of this advice "play as many as you can, and buy the "one" that you fall in love with" This is great advice. Do you gig, or plug in? If you do then, you need to try your guitars plugged in and see how they match your voice. If you don't, just buy the one that sounds best to you. If you look at Martin's, many don't come with electric pick-ups (many do) but don't let that hold you back because a good shop can install one. A lot of the Martin/Taylor debate just comes down to personal sound preference. My first love was a Taylor, but after playing a little while, I began to better appreciate the Martins. Play, play, play!
It may be corny but I always thought Shania's "From This Moment" was a beautiful wedding song.
You can start playing fingerpick style right now if you like. All fingerpick means is that you use your fingers to pick the strings. There's a book that I've been using called "You Can Teach Yourself Fingerpick Style Guitar". It's geared towards 12 year olds based on the cover art, but if you can swallow your pride long enough to buy the thing, the lessons are wonderful. I've only gotten up through the first dozen lessons or so and I now feel more comfortable fingerpicking than using a pick.
Get the book, get the concepts, and start applying them to songs that you play now. Have fun and keep it light.
- Zurf
Thank you, thank you! Exactly what I've been looking for. Plus if geared for 12 year olds, it will be a perfect match for my maturity level!
It's on its way.
Ranger
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHu9v29opVo
Keith Urban's
They are a great way to get someone started who might not have the money to take the plunge just yet. But...
In a way, I see the starter packages as a false economy. They make sense only if the user doesn't show lasting interest/dedication to guitar, and the reason is exactly what Ranger1964 stated above. If the kid (or whoever buys the package) doesn't show that lasting interest, whoever spent the money isn't out much. Let's face it, there is no real resale value to the gear in these kits. For that exact reason, if the person the kit is for DOES show lasting interest and dedication, you're out the price of the kit, plus the price of higher quality gear later on. The catch-22 here is that the cheaper instrument in the kit can cause reduced interest by itself; hey, it happened to me.
Unfortunately, I know of no one who is psychic enough to predict just who should go out and buy that better instrument to start with.
I guess the way my parental friends and I look at it, is that if the student uses it for 2 years we paid about $10/month for the package. Plus, if a child REALLY shows interest in music, then it really was money well spent. If you have young teen kids, there is a market for selling the equipment from the packages to their friends. My son sold his Strat pack equip to a friend for $75. I have found that the Ibanez and Strat gear of more than adequate quality to encourage beginners rather than disourage. Remember, I'm talking real beginners here.
Hey, I play my Taylor 810 almost exclusively but I still have a Strat Affinity that I play about 5 times a year. That is not a bad piece of gear too pick up used if you are an acoustic player and want an electric just for kicks and grins. Most shops have a used Strat Affinity for about $100. I plug mine into my Crate acousitc amp and off I go. For 5 or 6 times a year, it's great.
My son and 2 or 3 of his friends have become interested in guitar. Most of the parents, myself included, are ecstatic that their kids are interested in music BUT, most parents have a list of the "new hobbies" their kids tried and abandoned. Consequently, most parents are reluctant to dive too deep into the guitar pool. So, these packages make sense on many different levels. Yes, it is great that parents won't forget an integral component, but more than that, the equipment in these packages is more than adequate for a beginner to guage his/her interest in music. If their devotion wanes, then the money spent was minimal, if they stick with it and show lasting interest, THEN the parents and kids can upgrade the equipment. My son started with the a Strat Pack and is really devoted to guitar. When the time came, I had no problem upgrading him to a Mexican Fat Strat. My nephew has the Ibanez starter pack. He is invovlved in sports 12 months out of the year. He likes guitar but just doesn't have time to play, so the Ibanez is there when he wants to play, but it really is all he needs now.
So, to me, it's really not so much about if the bundled gear is a good deal based on price, it's more about the bundled gear being good enough for a beginner to determine his or her commitment.
Framed by Chris Knight
It Never Rains in California (very easy,very cheesy, but a song I sang a million times as a youth)
Found out About You By The Gin BLossoms
They also say after replacing the strings you should stretch the string a little so it stays in tune.
Justin demonstrates this in his video lesson. While he is WAY more agressive than I would be, I did it that last time I changed strings and only needed to make one minor adjustment the next day. In the past I was making major adjustments for at least 2 days. It makes sense that a performer needs a way to restirng a string and only tune it once.
I called ALvarez about this issue and spoke with the guy who does the work. He said that when they change strings they invariably remove them all, clean the neck and then re-string it. They feel that as long as the guitar is not left unstrung for a while there should be no problem.
Thanks for the input so far. I have been scouting e-bay for some good deals, and may go that route.
My biggest concern is being able to recognize a "good deal" when I see one. The problem with used (either e-bay or pawn shops) is that I don't think I would be able to spot a warped neck, or cracked whats-it or even a gnarled thing-a-clacker, and I could be easily duped. At least if there is something wrong with a new one out of the box, I can take it to my local shop for a refund/exchange.
any other thoughts?
Well the problem with Ebay is that it violates the "let your ears decide". In fact there are many opinions BUT most are to play as many as you can. A good rule of thumb regarding pricing on new guitars is to have the Musician's Friend or some other internet price handy and be sure that they are at least in the ball park. Most shops recognize that they must compete with internet pricing. Also, because you are newbie, you maybe more inclined to like a guitar that may surprise you. FOr example when I bought my ALvarez, I had done all my research and was sure I wnated a Yamaha. I tried the Ymaha but as soon as I picked up the Alvarez it felt great particulrly in te neck and action and had a very rich sound. Hey, nobody was more surprised than me. But you've gotta gotta gotta touch them and hear them. In terms of used guitar prices, I'm not sure if there is a rule of thumb. Maybe somebody else can chime in on that.
I was in a similar boat but had decided to upgrade. Check out this thread. Some of it applies. The bottom line is "let your ears be the judge". IMO that's a little overly simiplistic because I wanted to make sure that I at least bought a recognized brand also. I suppose if that's being name conscious I guess I'm guilty, I just didn't want a guitar that nobady had ever heard of KWIM?
My first album purchase was
Bruce the boss Springstein--Greetings from Asbury Park New Jersey
Wow , Were does the time go?????????????????
Born to Run Brother (I was 12 in 1976 when I bought it) ! Latest album purchase?... Magic. Coincidence? I think not!
Good to meet you, Ranger!
Looks like there are more late starters out there than I thought!
I have found it interesting when I play for family and friends how many people will say "I used to play" or "I always wanted to play". I think that is just a way for them to make themselves part of it, and I guess that's okay. I have found that people do what they want to do. I made excuses for years, and then decided that I was going to do it and put one item on my birthday list.
My wife is not as appreciative of my music as I would like her to be, but she is tolerant, which is more than some I have heard of.
Time to play is something people either make, or they don't. Lots of guys have told me that they aren't getting any better because they don't have time to play. That's okay. again, people do what they want to do. It is awesome to meet so many people that make time to play. Doesn't mean we have less going on, or that we are unemployed, it just means that we have set a priority of Guitar over TV!
(ETA) - The last paragraph is actually the reason for my signature "just play". I have friends who continue to spend money on guitars but refuse to spend time on them. One, in particular, ownes three fenders, and a Takamine, and can't play more than three chords. And that's okay, too, but when he complains that he can't keep up with me, I just tell him to quit whining and play.
I do, though, kind of like that most people who pick up a git-box end up putting it back down after their fingers start hurting. It makes what we do more special! (and it keeps the pawn shops in business!)
I'm actually glad for the writer's strike. Makes the TV vs. guitar decision quite easy! My wife is a good player but has a full time job and works her tail off at home sooooo guitar time is still a bit of a sore subject. I play most every night while she is folding laundry or doing something domestic. I'm a bit of an equipment junkie no matter what my hobby is, so that's a bit of a sore with wifey subject too . I try to be supportive of the "I always wanted to play" types because for so many people, the idea is so intimidating. Most people don't realize that with a few months of work on the CAGED chords you can be playing songs. I try to tell them that. Probably because I was too intimidated to start for years and probably lost 10 years of playing time, but life is lived moving forward not looking back!
I'm too lazy to re-type so I'll cut and paste from some other posts:
Some background before we get started. I'm 43 and have been playing a few months and am progressing nicely and I’m happy with my progress. I know CAGED Em,Am, G7, E7, etc. I’ve finally gotten the F but need to work on speed with it next. I play 40-60 min EVERY DAY. I am playing lots of songs (playing them well if I do say so myself) and am having a BLAST. I’m a fairly good singer and my interest in music has been life long and have planned on playing my entire life but I finally did something about it a few months ago when I jumped in and bought a guitar.
I play both types of music Country and Western. Ok j/k but I do play mostly country but I’m the words biggest Bruce Springsteen fan so it’s really that I like to play ballads of country, rock, folk etc.
I started with a Fender Squire, gave t to my son bought a Mexican Fat Strat but when my interest in music began to clarify I realized I needed an acoustic guitar. My wifey plays, but I hate her Ovation so I went out and bought an Alvarez PD80SC and I really like it but……..now things are a little more clear to me or maybe less clear?
Edited to Add (ETA)- I ended up violating my price objectives BUT got a great deal on a Taylor 810ce
A little more cut and paste:
Interesting but what I didn't say in my original post was that my youngest got interested in guitar and THAT was what finally pushed me to finally take up guitar. I don't know, I kind of felt "dorky" wanting to start guitar at 30, then 35, then 40, and finally I did it, but really only because my son did it. I guess the lesson is that if I hadn't started now, I may never have. You know once we get to be adults and parents sometimes it's hard to "bare our souls" and try something completely new. But, I try to teach my kids that life is about learning and I try to give them examples of that. I got my MBA at 38, learned to mat and frame photos about the same time and took up guitar at 43. The one thing I try to tell people is that if you are interested in playing you can do it by just learning CAGED and in a month or so be able to play MANY songs. So it's never too late to start.
Maybe we should start a "Late Starters" thread?
Final details- I've been nmarried almost 22 years and have 3 kids, 18, 16, 14. The 18 year old is off to college next year so we decided to not join our country club this year. As I'm an avid golfer also, this will finally leave me the time to devote to guitar so "a door closes, a window opens"
In the northwestern corner of Pennsylvania.
I also think that it takes some time to see a guitar in more than one light. Most of us love the playability of guitars at first. But, then after a few years you begin to see a guitar as an individual instrument, different types of sounds from different instruments, and then you begin to see each one as a work of art. The craftsmanship, the details, for some guitars the simplicity is the beauty (true of a lot or Martins. Nothing fancy, that's the beauty). A beautiful hand made guitar can leave you imagining the luthier making it with his very own hands. Did he use power tools or was it manual. Did he have a "plan" before he started or did he just create this beauty as the ideas came to him. I wonder how the sawdust in his shop smelled? I wonder how it felt to start with wood and end up with a guitar that sounds like an angel singing. And then, to have to sell that angel that you created with you hands and the sweat on your brow. I wonder if the greatest guitar ever made is sitting the workshop of some unknown luthier because the first time he strummed it he really did hear the angels sing and couldn't part with it?
My son had boththe Les Paul Special, and Strat Squire Affinity beginners guitar. He much preferred the Strat. It seemed to stay in tune much better. I think the strat has a hard wood neck which is supposed to keep it in tune longer. I'v also heard good things about the Ibanez beginners guitar.
One thing I've recently realized regarding all of these great guitars is that evaluating them and apprecaiting them are 2 completely different things. What I mean is that I recently went through a search to find myself A guitar. This guitar is going to be (for a while I'm sure) my only acoustic guitar. In looking at Martin's, Gibson's, Yari's and Taylors, I was evaluting this feature, that feature (mostly sound), I liked this, didn't like that etc. But that was because I was picking the ONE guitar that was right for me now. Now, if were ADDING a guitar to my collection, some of the things that I thought were negatives, say the booming low end of the Martin, may now be a positive. If I'm adding a guitar, I may want something that plays different than my Taylor. At that time I may say "oh, I don't like those ornate hand made guitars, they're beautiful but I want something to play". Then a few years later, I may have a little money stashed away and I may think "I've got 2 great guitars to play, I want to add one that plays nice but really is a beautiful work of art" and all of the sudden, something that was a negative in the past becomes a positve in the future. Many times in dicussing guitars, I may be talking about about owning and playing a single guitar while another person may be thinking of "adding" that guitar to his stable and they really are 2 VERY different things.
I was at a furniture store and asked to see some stools, (short version) he gave me one free. It's about 24", has a swivel top. I can put either leg up but have been playing with he gutar on my left knee. The rung that I put my foot on is just a little too high but I can use it for now. AND I put my strap on. Now I have the best of both worlds. I have the strap adjusted perfectly so it is just a minor change to straighten up and let the strap carry the load or just drop the guitar a bit and let it rest on my knee. I appreciate the advice. There is also a throne for sale on the back cover of the Musician's Friend catalogue that just came. Regular $129, now $59. I may need to check that out also.
oops it's on page 102 and goes from 20 1/2 in to 28 in but doesn't look like it hs a place for a raised foot. May not work. Damn drummers!! lol
I got a suggestion to look at drum "thrones". Not a term with which I was familiar but it is giving my some good ideas. I'm thinking get something cheap and then test out some more expensive ones before I go high end!
Just a suggestion Ranger. Why not use a strap and let that hold the guitar the the required height - a whole lot cheaper than a new stool.
Roger
Well, there are a couple of reasons that I didn't list for wanting some type of seat/stool. First I have sheet music on the left, sheet music on right, a ligth here the remote there, the TV over there....so the idea of swiveling has a lot of appeal. Also, my butt gets sore! There I said it! Sitting on a hard chair hurts my little buttocks! (and I hate those stupid tie on cushions!). Finally getting up a little bit (I think that's why I prefer the 30" stool0, lowers (straightens the angle between the leg and the floor) a little. I'm not tall but I have some low back issues so getting the ergonomics right is important. I do like the barstool suggestions though, I may be able to find one at a garage sale or something. Maybe one of those goofy spinning padded ones from the 70's might do the trick and I could get it cheap! Keep the ideas coming!
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