1,776

(11 replies, posted in Songwriting)

Hello Theminxy1 - Transcribing a melody that you have invented into standard notation can be frustrating.  Since you know piano, you have a huge advantage. 


Start by getting the basic notes down - forget about the rhythm until you have the proper intervals sketched out.  Then go back and start assigning time values to the tones.


I have a little battery-powered cheesy keyboard.  Sometimes I use it to help figure out a melody and jot down ideas.  Here is a site where you can print blank staff paper:


www.danmansmusic.com/ player/common/printpaper.htm


The nice thing about having a melody written out is that it is then easier to improve upon it and play with variations on the theme.

1,777

(13 replies, posted in Acoustic)

Hello calel (clueless newbie) - another thing to consider is that it is best to learn to sing a song as you are learning to play the song.  Ideally, as you are learning to work your fingers and hands you should also be learning to work your voice & lungs.


Playing & singing each take practice - have fun with it and be bold.  If it sounds lousy now, just keep at it and it you will improve rapidly as you keep trying.  Go at it with great gusto and you will find that learning something as complex as playing and singing is very rewarding.


Pick some simple songs to start with and as you master these move on to more difficult songs.  Learning chords just for the sake of learning chords is not much fun.  Pick songs that you like that use chords that you need to learn.


Also, learn about Music - strive to learn about the basics of Music Theory, chord structure, and other technical aspects of making Music.  You need not become an expert in all the details, but it is very useful to understand the basics.

1,778

(3 replies, posted in Songwriting)

Hello WickedAxeofFury - I can just see the mosh pit throbbing and smell the dank aroma of spilled drinks and rampant hormones - I love it!  Hope that the new songwriters' site which will feature sound files comes online soon so I can hear what the melody and rhythm is like.


I've got a song or maybe two burbling - but nothing has quite crystalized yet.  Will also share when they are more together.  Keep the hits coming . . .!

1,779

(15 replies, posted in About Chordie)

Over 650 songbooks is impressive - will it be possible to search the selections within the songbooks with the new system?  Thanks again for striving to make the site even more functional.

1,780

(15 replies, posted in About Chordie)

Hello tunedeaf - Eclectic songbooks are just dandy - the proposed new genre scheme will have a category called "Miscellaneous Songs" which,  I believe, will be just for books that contain a wide variety of selections.


I think what Chordie's creator/administrator is trying to do is simply encourage users to post more books with higher-quality or improved versions of the songs that Chordie finds on the web.  Much of the "raw" material on the web is 'good' but it can be made 'better' with some basic editing.


When the new songbook system starts, you can probably take some the selections in your current songbook and move them into new books that would fit into some of the proposed categories.


I see the proposed new system as a way to improve my playing & singing skills, broaden my musical horizons, and learn some new songs . . . which is exactly why I found Chordie, and why I keep coming back.

1,781

(3 replies, posted in Acoustic)

Just glad I could help - it is frustrating when you hear something and can't quite place it . . . I heard a tune on the radio the other day and then missed hearing who did it.  Finally figured out it was "Down Home Girl" as done by the Rolling Stones from way back in 1965. 


Have since discovered that Old Crow Medicine Show has an absolutely fantastic version of it out on video now . . . check this out:

<a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6206189954727243009&q=down+home+girl&hl=en" target="_blank"> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … 4727243009 &q=down+home+girl&hl=en</a>


Great song . . . Great band


So are you going to learn "Just a Little Help From My Friends"?

1,782

(15 replies, posted in About Chordie)

Yes - having an indicator of whether a songbook is "raw" files or "refined" would also be a very good feature.  If I understand correctly; If a book contains 10 songs, and if 9 of those selections have editing improvements then it would say something like "90% Refined" or "90% Edited".


I don't know what the best terminology for the editing/refining/improving would be, but it would certainly be helpful to encourage improvements.  What about something like:


"Chordified" or "Chordie-fied" or "Chordie-ated" or "Chordie-licious"


Kind of corny, but somehow referencing the site's unique name would also help promote this unique feature.


Have you figured out how to make the star rating system work correctly?

1,783

(15 replies, posted in About Chordie)

I like the idea of songbooks with a discernable theme - it will help make the Chordie Songbook feature a much more usable resource.  Ken, you bring up a good point about your own folders of printed music: You have them organized into categorical system that makes sense to you . . . this proposed genre approach would provide the same sort of organizational logic.


Another benefit would be that users would have an incentive to put some thought and effort (editing for layout & accuracy) into their selections before posting a songbook.  It would encourage songbook posters to not just post books containing lists of dozens and dozens of 'un-improved' songs.


Ideally, the Chordie Songbooks should contain song versions that are 'better' than what can be found on dozens of sites by doing a basic web search.  With this genre system, Chordie will eventually amass a fine collection of very nice songbooks.

1,784

(15 replies, posted in About Chordie)

Your genre idea has merit.  We could all quibble endlessly about the various categories & names, but the general direction you want to take it seems to be a logical next step.


A few of questions:


"Oldies" and "Goldies" . . . Please articulate what these labels mean. Perhaps "Golden Oldies" is what you mean?


Perhaps a category called "Traditional" might be useful?


Would an entire songbook be listed under one category, or would the individual songs be tagged separately?


Thanks for striving to make Chordie.com even better!

1,785

(3 replies, posted in Acoustic)

Hello jus10cas2 - here is a link to a "The Wonder Years" fan site:


<a href="http://web.sfc.keio.ac.jp/~t93272at/Wonder/wymusic.html" target="_blank">http://web.sfc.keio.ac.jp/~t93272at/Wonder/wymusic.html</a>


Seems the theme song was Joe Cocker's version of "With a Little Help From My Friends"?  Site also lists music heard in various episodes.

1,786

(1 replies, posted in Song requests)

Just found lyrics for "Down Home Girl" from the 'The Rolling Stones, Now!' album from 1965.  Feel sort of dumb that I didn't recognize Jagger when I heard the song on the radio - but then again, it was Jagger 41 years ago . . .


Can't find any tabs or chords for this tune - anybody got the chords?  Thanks!

1,787

(1 replies, posted in Song requests)

Heard a great song on the radio the other day but missed hearing who sang it - the chorus was howled out in a twangy Dylanesque nasal tone and went something like, "You are so down home girl". 


Anybody have info on the artist?  Would love to buy the song and figure it out . . . Thanks!

1,788

(18 replies, posted in Songwriting)

Ahh - Poor Man's Patten (or Patent?) - What a tasty phrase!  There's a song lurking there somewhere . . .


Using the mail as a dating device is quite intriguing.  However, I would bring the envelopes to the post office and ask that they be hand-cancelled so that the date is clear and legible.  Most of the machine-cancelled mail that I recieve is so blurry and smudged as to be useless for date verification purposes.

1,789

(18 replies, posted in Songwriting)

This has been most informative.  Can't say that I am now an expert on this topic (or any other topic for that matter), but I certainly know more now than I did a day or two ago.


Personally, it does not seem to be worth the expense or the time to register a creation with the government or to use one of the many commerical copyright services.  I'll just continue doing what I'm doing (which is writing songs as the mood strikes me) and not worrying about all the legalities.


Should somebody every profit greatly from one of my paltry creations, I will probably be struck by a piece of space junk and die instantly anyway.  In fact, I am probably a million more times likely to be hit by space junk than have a song I wrote enjoy any commercial success!

1,790

(18 replies, posted in Songwriting)

If you re-read the sentance, I believe it means that in Australia it is not possible to copyright a single word . . . . For instance, I create a word, "Slurballeckity".  That word alone is not copyrightable - however, it could probably be used as a registered trademark (but that is a different can of worms).


As with most legal matters, it is useful to have a historical perspective on a topic in order to make sense of the current state of affairs.  Although it is long, the Wikipedia article contains lots of info beyond what I cited previously.  Here is the link:


<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright</a>


What really matters to me is quite simple:  How can I easily establish a legal "dibs" on a song that I have created?

1,791

(18 replies, posted in Songwriting)

I believe we have opened up a delicious can of worms . . . plenty to know about on this very techinical topic.  The "mail it to yourself" strategy as mentioned by wave22 is one way of establishing tangible form for a creation - this idea is discussed in the Wikipedia article (see, Copyright).   It is a long article full of juicy info. Here is a part of it:


Obtaining and enforcing copyright


Typically, a work must meet minimal standards of originality in order to qualify for copyright, and the copyright expires after a set period of time (some jurisdictions may allow this to be extended). Different countries impose different tests, although generally the requirements are low; in the United Kingdom there has to be some 'skill, originality and work' which has gone into it. However, even fairly trivial amounts of these qualities are sufficient for determining whether a particular act of copying constitutes an infringement of the author's original expression. In Australia, it has been held that a single word is insufficient to comprise a copyright work.

In the United States, copyright has relatively recently been made automatic (in the style of the Berne Convention), which has had the effect of making it appear to be more like a property right. Thus, as with property, a copyright need not be granted or obtained through official registration with any government office. Once an idea has been reduced to tangible form, for example by securing it in a fixed medium (such as a drawing, sheet music, photograph, a videotape or a letter), the copyright holder is entitled to enforce his or her exclusive rights. However, while a copyright need not be officially registered for the copyright owner to begin exercising his exclusive rights, registration of works (where the laws of that jurisdiction provide for registration) does have benefits; it serves as prima facie evidence of a valid copyright and enables the copyright holder to seek statutory damages and attorney's fees (whereas in the USA, for instance, registering after an infringement only enables one to receive actual damages and lost profits). The original holder of the copyright may be the employer of the actual author rather than the author himself if the work is a "work for hire". Again, this principle is widespread; in English law the Copyright Designs and Patents Act 1988 provides that where a work in which copyright subsists is made by an employee in the course of that employment, the copyright is automatically assigned to the employer.

Copyrights are generally enforced by the holder in a civil law court, but there are also criminal infringement statutes. Criminal sanctions are generally aimed at serious counterfeiting activity, but are now becoming more commonplace as copyright collectives such as the RIAA are, more and more, targeting the file sharing home Internet user. Thus far however, these cases have usually been settled outside of court, with demands of payment of several thousand dollars accompanied by nothing more than a threat to sue the file sharer, which will be ruinous to many defendants in practice, thus such cases rarely make their way to civil law courts.

It is important to understand that absence of the copyright symbol does not mean that the work is not covered by copyright. The work once created from originality through 'mental labor' is instantaneously considered copyrighted to that person.

1,792

(36 replies, posted in Songwriting)

Thanks Bert!  Glad you like the song.  I do not know anything about copyrighting - other than it is something I need to find out about.  I write songs just for fun, so the legal aspects are not at the front of my mind.


The creator of Chordie is working on a site designed specifically for posting & sharing songs written by the site users.  The site will include lyrics, chords, tabs, and sound files.  Should premier in the forseeable future.


My assumption is that if a song is posted on a forum such as this, then that could serve as documentation that an individual created the song . . . but I am not certain if this would constitute a legal claim.


Anybody know more about this topic?  If so, start a new thread to discuss "Copyrighting Songs".

1,793

(1 replies, posted in Song requests)

The Chordie index lists 27 songs for The Killers.

Here is the link:

<a href="http://www.chordie.com/song.php/songartist/Killers/index.html" target="_blank"> http://www.chordie.com/song.php/songart … /index.htm l</a>

Unfortunately, the particular song you seek is not yet in the listing.

1,794

(2 replies, posted in Song requests)

Sent a reply to the email you included in your posting . . .

1,795

(6 replies, posted in Acoustic)

Greetings mchenry & welcome to the forum!  Since you are pretty new to playing, would you like to help me come up with the "Essential 3-Chord Songbook" or whatever it should be called?


If you haven't posted a songbook yet - it is not very complicated.  Just a matter of assembling songs and cleaning them up with some editing so that they are accurate and usable.


Did some web surfing and found some commercial 3-Chord songbooks containing these songs:


A Hard Rains Gonna Fall

All Shook Up

Be-bop-a-lula

Before The Deluge

Blowin In The Wind

Blue Suede Shoes

Catch The Wind

Cmon Everybody

Dizzy Miss Lizzy

Get Back

Get Off My Cloud

Give Peace A Chance

Good Golly Miss Molly

Good Time Bad Time

Great Balls Of Fire

Hey Jude

I Cant Get No Satisfaction

It Aint Me Babe

Its So Easy

Jailhouse Rock

King Creole

Let It Be

Life In The Fast Lane

Long Tall Sally

Mr Tambourine Man

Mystery Train

Not Fade Away

Oh Boy

Out Of Time

Paperback Writer

Rave On

Ready Teddy

Teddy Bear

Thats All Right

The Last Resort

The Last Time

Three Steps To Heaven

Times They Are A Changin

Tutti Frutti

Whole Lotta Shakin


409

Alberta

All Apologies

All Shook Up

All Together Now

Barbara Ann

Be-Bop-A-Lula

Bye Bye Love

C.C. Rider

Can't You See

Chantilly Lace

Do Wah Diddy Diddy

Donna

Get Back

Give Me One Reason

Gloria

Great Balls Of Fire

Hang On Sloopy

Hanky Panky

Hound Dog

I Fought The Law

Kansas City

La Bamba

Lay Down Sally

Lively Up Yourself

Long Tall Sally

Love Me Do

Mellow Yellow

Mony, Mony

Move It On Over

Not Fade Away

Rain

Rock Around The Clock

Rock This Town

Rockin' Robin

Save The Last Dance For Me

See You Later, Alligator

Shake, Rattle And Roll

Stir It Up

Stuck On You

Surfin' U.S.A.

Sweet Home Chicago

The Ballad Of John And Yoko

The Twist

Tutti Frutti

Twist And Shout

Werewolves Of London

When Will I Be Loved

Wooly Bully

Yakety Yak


I am not familiar with all of these songs, but would like to narrow the list to about 30 tunes (some old, some new, some not on this list) and put together a Chordie songbook.


If you would like to help, please reply . . .

1,796

(2 replies, posted in About Chordie)

hello =KT=; Have never heard of a Chordie account being deleted - the only stated prohibition on the forum is to not post full lyrics for a copyrighted song (this cannot be done for legal reasons).  Other than that, the only requirement is common courtesy and mutual respect amongst forum posters.


Were you notified that your account had been zapped?  Or did it just stop working? 


I am just an avid user and am not privy to the technical details of the site.  Perhaps you should contact the Admin via the email link on the Resources page and ask what happened - he can probably tell you exactly what occured.

1,797

(8 replies, posted in Songwriting)

Hello killian - that is a great song.  Would love to hear you sing & lay it sometime.  Wish that I could show you a song that I wrote in Danish, but I just haven't written that song just yet!


Here are your lyrics with spelling corrections - - - I hope you don't mind, I just want to help.


Standing on a highway bridge

Looking out to see you come

We had planned a date

And now you're very late

Hope you still remember

How we met in September


Standing on a bridge

Over Highway Fiftysix

Roses in my hand

Baby I'm just a man

Hoping to see you come


Many people pass me by

Maybe thinking I'm a suicide

People smile and say

'Why are standing here today?'

I do not remember

Hope they just pass me by


Now it just began to rain

And I feel a heart ache pain

You will never come

And that is just no fun

Standing on my bridge

Feeling you're too big of a bitch


So, that is what I think you intend . . . maybe I'm wrong, but hey - it's a great song.

1,798

(6 replies, posted in Acoustic)

Actually, I think it is wonderful that certain questions are asked repeatedly - it just shows that many Chordie users have alot in common.  Yes - sifting through old posts might be helpful . . . but, if someone is new to the site and unfamiliar with the forum, then manuevering through all the threads is too much to ask.


I think it is important for all users (new & old alike) to feel that this forum is a good source for information.  I would hate for this place to become snobby and unwelcoming for new users.


Perhaps some long-time Chordie users can come up with a collection of maybe twenty or thirty 3-chord wonders that can be prominently displayed at the Chordie home page?  It could be the 'Essential 3-Chord Songbook'?


Ideally, the songs would be nicely formatted, accurate, and well-known enough to be useful to a broad spectrum of players.  So, what should be included in this book? 


Chordie users: Make some suggestions and I'll gladly collaborate with you to get it posted!

1,799

(1 replies, posted in Other string instruments)

Here is a link to a Wikipedia article that might answer your questions.  There are also some links at the bottom of the article to sound files and other sites that might be helpful.


<a href="http&#58;&#47;&#47;en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liu_qin" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liu_qin</a>


Hope this helps . . .

1,800

(2 replies, posted in Songwriting)

I think the song is great!  Love the story . . . it reminds me of a crazy heifer I dated back when I had way more hormones than sense.  This epic saga of dysfunctinal love deserves another verse or two - - - maybe talk about her momma or her daddy and allude to why she is so psycho?  Maybe talk about getting her some special ammo for Valentines?