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Played a Kay before and didn't really like it, but it's bridge was broken and the action was really high. I'm sure it's in better shape than that and if you don't want the records I say go for it.

Absolutely. Thanks for the discussion everyone.

Katie

Proof, Whitewater? In a theory? Theories are never proven, only dis-proven. I do not propose Biblical creation taught in public schools unless other religious beliefs are taught. Perhaps it should also be an issue for states to decide, but that's another subject. All I think should be taught in school is truth. I'm sure no one here disagrees with that.
The Bible doesn't conflict with true science. However, it may not match up to fads within the scientific world. Looking to the past shows that it doesn't (think of the Earth being round. The Bible taught that, while the common teaching like 500 years ago was that it was flat.) The Bible also taught micro evolution before Darwin ever introduced On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life was introduced (think of the tower of Babel.) The Bible also talks of the Second Law of Thermodynamics. No, the Bible is not a science book. But when it speaks of science I believe it is correct.

The differences in chapters 1 and 2 are because one is the creation of the universe and the other is when God specially makes the Garden of Eden.

Nobody answered my question: Is anything I say making sense?

Zurf, I agree with a lot of what you say.

Haha, Ww, you're not going to offend me.
Just for the record, I respect your views, also. It's a complicated issue and I know no two people will ever agree 100%.

I do take the Bible literally except of course, when it is clearly written as an allegory, metaphor, parable or poetry - which is usually obvious. The way the account of creation is given in Genesis and throughout the Bible is as if it were a true story - not a fanciful way God decided to entertain us. It's detailed, and coming from my point of view, lines up with science. I do take the Bible on faith. I wasn't there. I don't 'know' that God made man of the dust of the ground, or that Moses crossed the Red Sea, or that Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead, or that he himself was raised from the dead. I take it on faith. But I also believe there is an awful lot of faith that must go along with the theory of Evolution - which is, btw, just a theory and not proven fact. Unless, of course, one is referring to Micro Evolution.
If the creation account is just an alagory, how can I trust the rest of the Bible? How can I trust that Jesus was the Christ? That's what it boils down to anyway, right?
My biggest problem in the Gap Theory, and/or Day Age Theory is that they don't match up with the Bible in light of science (i.e. fossils; death came as a result of sin, yet 'ancestral' fossils exist. Also, fossilized thorns, which were a direct payback for Adam's sin, etc.) Also, the language used in describing the six days of creation found in Genesis is very explicit in pointing out these were literal 24 hour days (evening and morning were the first day.)

I think we have to choose between Evoluiton and the Bible. I don't see a huge reason to choose Evolution, so I'm going with the Bible. It's really not that harder to believe 'In the beginning God created the heaven an the earth...' than 'In the beginning nothing exploded and created something that changed slowly into you and me...'
You are right, WW, that the Bible is not a science book. But when it speaks on science, I believe it's correct.

As for AiG, they put a lot of science in their literature, but they are a religious organization.

Zurf, I've heard of Reasons to Believe. Hough Ross runs it I think. I found this debate on Ytube of Ross and Ken Ham (who runs AiG). I've not seen it, but it might be fun to watch http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL013D07601ACCCD22

Katie

P.S. Zurf, you'll love AiG. I think anybody that loves studies would love it. Got their magazine for a year and really enjoyed it. I think it's online for free through their site.

Wow, deep. Zurf you said about ten different things I should use as my siggy. All of this bugged me like nuts for a long time, because, honestly, most Christians have sorry answers for these questions. I was raised in Church and thought I knew all there was to know about the Bible. Ha! Dead wrong. Lots more.
I recommend you look up http://www.answersingenesis.org/. Don't agree with them %100, but they've got a lot of good stuff. Dig around, and have fun!
Hope you find answers Phil.

Not wrinkles, laugh lines, Amy. That means you're fun.

So funny! My least favorites, too!

I see. I must have been posting at about the same time as you. Thanks for the link. Can't believe such a tragedy.

Merry Christmas!

Haha! You deserve to be quoted.