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I broke my duck in Green Hammerton.  <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_rolleyes.gif" border=0 alt="Rolling Eyes">

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Barre chords get easier with practise.  But a trick I used was to put a capo on say third fret and then play F, F# and G.  Doesn't sound right but it's easier to get the shape right and then later loose the capo and play them in the correct position.

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Good point. I started playing Ukelele at the same time as Guitar. barre chords aren't really the same problem on a Uke as you only have four strings but the frets are very close together. The funny thing is that on a guitar the first barre chords you learn are F and Bm followed by Fm and B. That gives you all your main Barre chord shapes in the hardest place on the neck - ie where the frets are furthest apart. this is good as once you've got it it's easy to play any barre chord, but as a way of making it easier, why not learn further down the neck?

Come to think of it, you don't need a capo for a barre chord. Just Barre the 5th fret instead of the second with an F shape and you're playing an A. The Capo doesn't make any difference with a Barre chord. You can still pretend it's an F if you want and move it back down the fretboard when you can manage the stretch.

Smart!

Ayup lad. I'm from Selby. I also enjoy a bit of finger style stuff and have only been playing less than a year. How much?!

It's a wierd thing but I learned Bm and F as my first Bar chords. Eventually I became comfortable with these and then one day I could suddenly form a B bar chord "the proper way" using the index finger to bar the 2nd fret and the other 3 fingers on one string each. The wierd bit is that I now find this easier than playing a B minor and the only bar chord I struggle with to any great extent is the blinking F! Oh well, I guess it's all in our heads...

I don't yet have this album, but i echo the sentiment that The Who are the best Rock band ever. I've been put off buying the latest album by the fact that I saw them live at Leeds Uni this summer and it was the most disappointing gig I've ever been to. And I saw The Stranglers on the tour when the only appearance made by Hugh Cornwell was on the posters so I'm no stranger to disappointment.

One thing that struck me in the live performance, Why do they have an extra guitarist? You couldn't hear what Townshend was playing and I'm afraid Mr Daltrey's old age based vocal limitations which have been alluded to in this thread already really do shine through in a live performance. Add this to the shambolic nature of the performance, RD actually turned his back on the mike to put his guitar on the stand whilst singing the lyric, "If my fist clenches, crack it open" on behind Blue eyes (A tribute band wouldn't do that!), and I'm in no state of mind to line their pockets much further. Particularly after the great man then went on Newsnight and said, "The Who is a brand not a band.". Do we really need this management speak rubbish from our heroes? In his defence though, I'm afraid I entirely agree.

If the album is good though, I'm glad and I will probably end up buying it. Like I say, I think they are or at least were the best rock band ever and Townshend's songwriting is out of the top drawer. I'll never go and see a show again though.

Sorry for the rant. I still love the Who.

Thanks for that. I take the point about an experienced player. I have just the fellow in mind...

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If you are looking for songs to sing to:

you can take almost any song and do it finger style.

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Good point. Try doing I Can See For Miles by the Who finger style and slow. It's very sinister indeed and has flashy looking and sounding but easy to play composite chords in it too. (Keep tapping that low E - shiver)

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dwvallance said:

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(I also have to transpose virtually everything into the key of C or thereabouts because my singing is so poor and my vocal range so narrow.)
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Man, a few months on the guitar and you are already transposing....  FANTASTIC. 

Have you though of getting a Capo?  Sometimes the chords you find with a song sound best with that "inversion"...  Then, you can use a Capo to get the song in a Key that you can sing in...

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I do indeed have a Capo and i do use it but I also try to play most things in C open as well and see how it sounds best. The way I look at it, if I'm only able to sing in C I'd better learn C, G and F pretty damn good  <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_confused.gif" border=0 alt="Confused"> One song that I always play with a Capo is wonderwall. I play it in C with the same shapes, which work really well for that song. This means my version is like james Blunt meets oasis, with the Capo on the 7th fret! Wierd but it sounds better than me trying to sing it in F# with the capo on 2 like everyone else (who can sing properly) does.

I guess I find transposition relatively easy because I have simultaneously learned the uke, which is 5 semitones above a guitar, so is like the top 4 strings with a capo on the 5th. You play a D shape on a uke and you get a G. play something that's in G with the same shapes on a uke and it's in C. That got through my thick skull and now I'm comfortable with the concept <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_wink.gif" border=0 alt="Wink">

WEll you say slides OR finger picking so how about Streets Of London by Mr R McTell? Even a crappy version of that can bring a tear to the soberest of eyes.

I'm off to learn Ode To Billy joe now. What a good idea that was!

Wonderwall by Oasis is really pretty easy to do and it sounds great. You need a Capo for it though. The chords are a bit fancy but they are easy to finger and it'll give your little finger something to do.  <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile">