2,601

(19 replies, posted in Acoustic)

If you think Jimmy's only contribution is his self-indulgent sense of self (and find me a rock star that doesn't share that) then you're not paying attention.   They guy is in the R&R Hall of Fame twice.  He was not only the lead for Zep, but the Yardbirds as well.  He is as meticulous a player as you will find, and was one of the more innovative producers of the time, and pretty much ushered in modern recording techniques, and invented a few of his own.

As far as being an "occultists" I'm going to attribute to it what I do to all such accusations. Pure, unadulterated hogwash.

2,602

(20 replies, posted in Bands and artists)

upyerkilt wrote:

but the best part about ac dc is the Young brothers are SCOTTISH!!!!

Ken

big_smile

How come it is that most famous Scottsmen gotta go somewhere else to get famous?

2,603

(24 replies, posted in Acoustic)

That's it.

If you run down the neck one fret at a time, that is reffered to as a "chromatic" scale, and the interval between each fret is a "half step" (also "half tone" or "semi tone").  A "whole step" is a two fret step.

A major scale is defined by the intervals between notes.

Root.  Whole step.  Whole step.  Half step.  Whole step.  Whole step.  Whole step.  Another half step brings you to the root again.

That is really "the pattern."  Start on any note, and follow that pattern, and you have produced a major scale.

Get the minor nailed down.  Then I'll show you the practical secret to major pentatonics, along with the theory behind it.  It's simple enough that you'll laugh when you get it.

2,604

(24 replies, posted in Acoustic)

trippy wrote:

ok, i´m gonna start today right away, but there is still one thing thats not so clear, and i would´nt want to learn it wrong.

so that is a pentatonic pattern for every minor scale, this one is de AM scale, and what "i" have to do is search for the C scale, if i got it right, i search for the C note on the low E string and play the same pattern to get de C scale...

is that right?
i hope its right wink

That's right.  You're going to put your index finger on the scale root on the E string, and it's going to move straight across the fretboard to the little e string.    That pattern will produce a minor pentatonic every time.

2,605

(19 replies, posted in Acoustic)

You guys are all crazy.  If you don't want to play like Jimmy Page, you just don't want to play!

Jimmy is Gawd.  big_smile

2,606

(31 replies, posted in Electric)

Nope.  I'm just a complete theory geek.  I've been playing music since I was in 5th grade, and grew up to be an engineer.  I don't have a lot of time to "figure stuff out" so I took a little time to learn theory, which has saved me a ton of time when it gets down to actually playing the instrument.   I also like to teach (taught at UW, and worked for Seattle Public Schools for a while) and I absolutely love kids, so this is a good outlet for me.  It lets me share some knowledge, it lets me work out my theory geekisms, and it satisfies my engineering need to know why something works, rather than just knowing it does.

As far as the girl with the '68 Gibson:   Dude, I'd never advocate violence in any form against any one, but dude!   A '68 Gibson Les Paul?  Is there a statute of limitations on that?

http://www.rocknrollvintage.com/prodimages/68'%20Gibson%20Les%20Paul%20Custom.jpg

* droool *

2,607

(24 replies, posted in Acoustic)

trippy wrote:

Wow! thats a lot of information in one day, i´m a bit confusd, is it a pentatonic scale or it´s the pattern that is pentatonic?

i just found this:

E|-----------------------------------------5--7--8|

B|---------------------------------5--6--8--------|

G|-------------------------4--5--7----------------|

D|-------------------5--7-------------------------|

A|----------5--7--8-------------------------------|

E|-5--7--8----------------------------------------|

The notes of the A minor guitar scale are A, B, C, D, E, F, G, and then the scale repeats at the A again.

if i understud right, this would be the pattern for a minor scale? every minor scale? and if i understud right what this guy said this pattern would end with a C note?

The scale you have tabbed there is the full A minor scale.   If you move that whole pattern down two frets, you'll be playing B minor.

E|  7---9--10, etc.

That scale actually ends on a G.  The 5th fret of the D string, and begins again on the 7th fret of the D string.  You will note that there are 7 notes in the scale.  A pentatonic scale has five notes, and for minors, it removes the half steps, so the tablature for A minor pentatonic is.

E|-----------------------------------------5---8|

B|---------------------------------5----8--------|

G|---------------------------5--7----------------|

D|-------------------5--7-------------------------|

A|----------5---7-------------------------------|

E|-5---8----------------------------------------|

That pattern is one you should learn.  It's one of the five pentatonic patterns.   This one is popular because it is easy to play.  You start with the root on your index finger or on your ring finger, and each finger has it's own fret.  No hand movement is necessary.

It is the scale is pentatonic because it has five notes (PENTA = 5:  Pentagram, pentagon, etc).   

So here is your homework assignment.   Take this pattern, and play a C# minor pentatonic scale.  Then tab it out.

2,608

(24 replies, posted in Acoustic)

I'd start by adjusting my expectations.  smile   There are a whole lot of scales, but that doesn't mean there's a whole lot to learn.   

There are 12 major scales, for example.  You can play all of them using one pattern (assuming a 14 fret guitar).  There are 12 natural minor scales.  Likewise, you can play all of them using one pattern.  So, assuming you learn just those two patterns, you can now play 24 different scales.

So where should you start?  Take two tracks:  The practical, and the theoretical.   The practical side should be stuff that you can use to play *right now.*  Those would be the minor and major pentatonic patterns.    There are five of each, but just like the major and minor scales, you can play them with one pattern.   You can use pentatonic scales to solo in just about every kind of music you can name, from baroque to zydeco.   There are five minor pentatonic patterns, and five major pentatonic patterns.   Your next practice goal should be to learn one of each.

The theoretical side should be focused on improving your knowledge.  What makes a major scale a major scale?   What is the relationship of the minor scales to the majors?  These kinds of things won't have immediate practical application to the fretboard, but they will pay huge dividends down the road.

2,609

(56 replies, posted in Chordie's Chat Corner)

geraldine.e wrote:

wot about creed, theyre a christian group and have crossed over to the mainstream side of music. they even had a number one few years ago if memory serves with 'arms wide open'   

god bless you my children and go in peace!

Good example of the %90 rule.  Creed is crap no matter what they sing about.  big_smile

2,610

(24 replies, posted in Acoustic)

Yes, it's within your possibility.   Scales are, in reality, bone dead simple. 

The problem with them arises when people denigrate them as "unnecessary" when what they really mean is "I never hear rock stars play them."   These are people that want to "play songs" rather than "play the guitar."   If you want to play other peoples songs, they're not critical.  If you want to play solo and lead lines of your own, and improvise, they are critical.

I always advise people to practice scales and chord transitions before ever attempting to play songs.   The time to start practicing them is right now.

You shouldn't hate scales.   You should spend at least 15 minutes every day running scales, and they should be a regular part of your practice routine.  When you see the improvement in your playing as a result of knowing them, you'll love them, as their value will be evident, and undeniable.

2,611

(31 replies, posted in Electric)

ssp3 wrote:

Hey these patterns are great!  does anyone know or use the patterns for minor pentatonic that begin in the 5th string? I like to use these scales and go back and forth with major scales on my leads.  I think it sounds good.  Does anyone see any problems with that?
S

It's all about intervals.  The guitar is tuned to 4ths (it's a major 4th between strings, except for G -> B, which is a 3rd), so you can start those patterns on any string except G, and you will *generally* be OK, as the intervals are the same.   If you want to learn to play them from the D string, simply play a pentatonic staring on E to the D.  This is the octave.      Whatever you play from there is a brand new pentatonic.

sanguine wrote:
jerome.oneil wrote:
sanguine wrote:

did you know the tyrants of athens and ancient greece were brought to power by the support of the people and that the people got rid of them whenever they failed in their duties?

I did know that.  Ironically,  it used to be that the Kings were elected by the people, back when they were just tribal chieftains.   I think the rise of the Catholic church after the fall of Rome had much to do with the "divine right" notion so popular amongst todays monarchs.   There was a bit of a power sharing agreement between the monarchs, and the heads of the church.  That served them well, but the people not so much.

actually there wasnt to much power sharing at all back then the pope was a very secular being and would extort the hell out of who ever disagreed.  threaten to with hold baptisms last rights and the like or excumincate the leader and say who ever follows him wont get into heaven or whatever.

Well, no.   Papal authority through the dark ages was about as muddled as the authority of the Monarchs.   Popes and Bishops used to have hereditary lineage, too.   They needed each other to hold onto power.  There was a period of about 400 years where there were two popes, or no pope at all.  In those times, the pope wannabes would appeal to the Monarchs for support.  If you had a weak monarch, he could appeal to Papal authority to hold onto power.   Like I said, it was a handy power sharing agreement between the Monarch and the Papists.  They helped each other remain in power.   Martin Luther was the beginning of the end, and Henry the VIII was the stake in the heart of it, but even Henry called upon the Devine Right to rule.  He just started his own church and declared himself the head of it.

2,613

(27 replies, posted in Bands and artists)

Ninety percent of everything is crap.   New music.  Old music.  Ain't nothing changed.

2,614

(20 replies, posted in Bands and artists)

Some balls are held for charity, and some for fancy dress
but when they're held for pleasure they're the balls that I like best...

Pure.  Unadulterated.  Genius.

2,615

(24 replies, posted in Acoustic)

Zurf has it exactly right.  Learning the interval relationships on your fretboard is a key skill for anyone play bass.  I play bass in my band, and I practice that a lot.   It makes walking a whole lot easier.

But it all comes back to scales.  They are at the foundation of everything you'll do as a musician.  Scales.  Then some scales.  Then some more scales.  And when you're done, practice your scales.

2,616

(12 replies, posted in Chordie's Chat Corner)

Beer goggles fit your ears, too.  smile

2,617

(5 replies, posted in Electric)

All the scales for that particular mode.  big_smile   If you know one major scale in closed form, you effectively know all of them.   Same with the minors.  If you know one in closed form, you know all of them.   Pentatoncs:  Same.

And don't get hung up on pentatonics.  They are just major and minor scales with two notes removed.

2,618

(20 replies, posted in Bands and artists)

Big Balls

Greatest song EVAR!!!

2,619

(5 replies, posted in Electric)

If you know the G and C scale, you know all the scales.     You just need to practice them in "closed form" down the neck, using your index finger where the nut would normally be.  If you intend to solo, that's what you should practice.  Scales.  And then some more scales.  And then, afterwards, some scales.

2,620

(8 replies, posted in My local band and me)

Washington State, or DC?  I live in the Bellevue area, and reherse in Seattle.

2,621

(8 replies, posted in About Chordie)

upyerkilt wrote:

yes Jerome you are correct. It is not really the chord G it is only the shape of the G chord when playing open, but I am sure he knew what I meant. ..... maybe???? perhaps?????? hope so.
but if not, then now he knows lol

Ken

You'd be surprised.  You tell someone "This is G" even when it isn't, and that will be G forever.

My bet is he's even more confused, which is good, because then he'll ask clarifying questions.  Sometimes you gotta stir the pot to get a stew.  big_smile

2,622

(9 replies, posted in Electric)

jersey wrote:

Hi jerome.oneil

Many thanks for helping out here....

Scales it is then, cool.  Okay, sorry to ask, but how may I start with this. Which ones first, where can i see them etc etc.... any ideas?

Cheers

Jason

People are going to tell you to learn a scale in a particular key.  I'm not.   There are 12 possible scales within the chromatic scale for any mode.  Then you have your pentatonics and other kinds of scales as well.  That's a whole lot to learn if you think of it in terms of key.   

The good news is that all of those scales break down into a small number of patterns on the fretboard.  There are five major and minor scale patterns, and likewise five major and minor pentatonic patterns.   Those are the patterns I'd learn first.

Learn one minor pentatonic pattern, and you can play minor pentatonics in 12 different minor keys.  Learn one major pentatonic scale, and you can play pentatonics in 12 different major keys.   Same with the major and minor scale patterns.  Learn one, and you can play in any key.    It makes it much simpler to learn to play scales, because you can simply ask "What key are we in?" and play.   The more patterns you learn (There are 5 pentatonic patterns, for example) the more options you will have on the fretboard.

I play scales every day.  You should, too.  More accurately, I practice scale patterns every day.

Summary:  The practical application of scales is not in the key you want to play in, but the scale pattern you put to the neck of your instrument.

Here are the five minor pentatonic patterns.  Note that this is not the "A minor pentatonic pattern."  It's only A if you start on A.  If you start it on B, then it's B minor, etc.

http://www.tonart.com/Main/ScaleLessons … terns.html

Minor pentatonics are good scales to start on, as they are easy to learn, and immediately useful.

2,623

(4 replies, posted in Guitars and accessories)

Learn the major, minor and pentatonic scale patterns.   There are only five of each, and once you know them, you can play in any key.

2,624

(8 replies, posted in About Chordie)

upyerkilt wrote:

hi badboy,

Like Jerome says that is in the key of G,
Now if you want to know how to change it to the key of A then you can put a capo on the second fret and continue to play the G chord and C chord and D chord.

Chord *shapes* man!  Put that cappo on, and you're not playing G, C, or D any more. 

Chord = notes coming out of the guitar.

Chord shapes = what you do with your hands.

Pedantry = What Jerome does regarding theory.  big_smile

2,625

(9 replies, posted in Electric)

alvee33 wrote:

Learn scales. Inside out! If you don't know your scales then you will not know what notes fit where.

Because this is so true, it's worth quoting again.  big_smile